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 A Small Primer On Mosin Rifles 
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Thanks Pete. I agree. There were so many, but where are the rest of them now? In my research, it seems somewhere around 9000 1895s were sent to Spain. Where are all of those too? I've never seen any 1895s in Finland, or come from there. Do you have access to this pic?

I had a guy at a show once tell me when I asked him if he had any 1895s in 7.62, Winchester didn't make any in 7.62. In the context I asked, assuming he was knowledgeable of 1895 Winchesters since there were like 6 on his rack at his table, I don't think it was misinterpreted as 7.62 Nato. At any rate, I let him know more were made for the Russians than in any other caliber during production.

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Brad,
Scroll down through the Mosin Section on Gunboards..One of the Finnish Members posted it about 2 weeks ago...

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Pete. There is a warehouse full of them, and the Russians want way too much money for them. Along with a bunch of STG 43's. Same deal. Too much money and they want it all at once.

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Any link to that info?

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I think I found it on Tuco's website when I was looking for some information on why the US can't import SVT's. One of the smaller importers was posting about it. I'll dig it up when I have some energy

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This is where most of the Thompson kits are coming from as well. SVT would be a cool piece to have, finicky but cool.

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Yuep. Two Thompsons per M3 tank that the US supplied to the Russians. They used the tank, but had a better sub gun. Put the Thompsons into storage until recent times..

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Mohawk13 wrote:
Yuep. Two Thompsons per M3 tank that the US supplied to the Russians. They used the tank, but had a better sub gun. Put the Thompsons into storage until recent times..


Better and no .45 ammo.

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Well I think it's time for another addition to the Mosin Primer thread. Today, I think for your enjoyment, a presentation of a rifle that was used in some capacity to the Spanish Civil War.

The Russians sent weapons to Spain during the Spanish Civil War in hopes to help further the endeavors of the Spanish Republicans. This is a Russian made 91/30 that was indeed sent to Spain. There were many rifles that came in to the US from Spain that were stamped "MADE IN USSR" or "MADE IN URRS". That is a telltale sign right there. But there are also other indicators one can look for to determine whether or not a rifle was involved in the SCW.

Non matching numbers. Almost always in all of the examples I have seen of SCW rifles, the numbers are never matching. This is not saying if you have a Mosin with non matching numbers it was a SCW rifle at all, but is popularly seen.
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This is an interesting date stamp, 1936-7. There were many rifles that were produced between the dates of 1936-1939 that were sent to Spain as aid, but not limited to just 91/30s. M91s were sent from the Russians, as well as the 1895 Winchester that was showcased earlier in this thread.
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This cleaning rod is also another known example of SCW influence
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Here are some other interesting marks found on the stock of this rifle. The finish is also interesting.
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Here is a 1934 Izhevsk. The handguard on this one has been fashioned, and looks like it was hand made in some capacity.
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Stock has been cracked near the wrist, some of the repair shots
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And here is one of the stamps corrleating with SCW
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Here is another installation of more than meets the eye when someone is looking at Mosins. Thanks to one our members here, MadPick, he shared some photos with me so I could put together a write up on this topic.

First we will start off with a Dragoon model. These models began production shortly after original production of the M91 long rifle. A Dragoon, the predecessor to the 91/30, is the same overall length of a 91/30. The main difference is the sights. The Dragoon rifles utilize the same sights as a M91. Rear sight graduated in Arshins, front blade sight.

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Another distinct difference is the barrel shank depending on the arsenal that produced it. Here are two pictures of barrel shanks from separate Dragoons.
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Izhevsk Dragoon, Soviet production looks just like a 91/30 barrel shank.
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Ex-Dragoons. This particular rifle was originally produced as a Dragoon rifle. It's status as an 'ex-Dragoon' is evident by the arsenal writing on the barrel shank as seen here:
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In addition to the writing on the barrel shank, the other way to confirm ex-Dragoon status is to look at the base of the rear sight. During the late 1920s, and early 1930s transition from Dragoon to 91/30 production began. Hex receivers were still used in to the early to mid 1930s, and of course recycled hex receivers can also be found frequently. Here is a great look at an ex-Dragoon with updated 91/30 rear sight

When the rear sight is flipped up, this gap can be seen at the base of the rear sight closest to the barrel shank.
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A standard 91/30 rear sight will not illustrate this gap, and look flush. Here is an example of a 91/30 sight base with 2 pins in it holding it in place off of a 1943 Izhevsk 91/30
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Here is another example of a 91/30 rear sight base off a 1944 Izhevsk ex-sniper. Perhaps there will need to be another post on how to recognize an ex-sniper
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Awesome writeup and photos, MZ . . . thank you, sir. I'm learning a lot!

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A Dragoon, the predecessor to the 91/30, is the same overall length of a 91/30.


My understanding from my time as an internet commando this past week is that the Dragoon rifles are slightly shorter than the M91/30 rifles. The Dragoons are 48.5" long, and the M91/30s are . . . 50+", I don't remember the number.

True?

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Brad...That Dragoon rear sight is Cossack Marked also...The difference between a Dragoon and a 91/30 is basically the sights and about a 1/4" of barrel length...

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Thanks again for the great thread. I just linked it to a friend in Montana that scored a pair of number matching 91/30's (the dirty punk) for $89.99/ea. 1939 hex and a 43 round.


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MadPick wrote:
Awesome writeup and photos, MZ . . . thank you, sir. I'm learning a lot!

MosinZealot wrote:
A Dragoon, the predecessor to the 91/30, is the same overall length of a 91/30.


My understanding from my time as an internet commando this past week is that the Dragoon rifles are slightly shorter than the M91/30 rifles. The Dragoons are 48.5" long, and the M91/30s are . . . 50+", I don't remember the number.

True?


Dragoons also had a unique handguard and solid barrel bands. Very uncommon to find one with the solid bands, and even more uncommon with the proper handguard.

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Here's another one of my rare birds...A 1943 round receiver Tikka barrel 91/30.
http://mosinnagant.net/finland/FinlandsM9130Rifle.asp



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