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A Small Primer On Mosin Rifles
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MosinZealot
Location: Tumwater/Lacey Joined: Sun Jul 8, 2012 Posts: 89
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Thanks Pete. I agree. There were so many, but where are the rest of them now? In my research, it seems somewhere around 9000 1895s were sent to Spain. Where are all of those too? I've never seen any 1895s in Finland, or come from there. Do you have access to this pic?
I had a guy at a show once tell me when I asked him if he had any 1895s in 7.62, Winchester didn't make any in 7.62. In the context I asked, assuming he was knowledgeable of 1895 Winchesters since there were like 6 on his rack at his table, I don't think it was misinterpreted as 7.62 Nato. At any rate, I let him know more were made for the Russians than in any other caliber during production.
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Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:09 pm |
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Mohawk13
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Location: Logan, Utah Joined: Tue Oct 11, 2011 Posts: 4199
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Brad, Scroll down through the Mosin Section on Gunboards..One of the Finnish Members posted it about 2 weeks ago...
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Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:38 pm |
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kf7mjf
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Pete. There is a warehouse full of them, and the Russians want way too much money for them. Along with a bunch of STG 43's. Same deal. Too much money and they want it all at once.
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Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:51 pm |
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Mohawk13
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Any link to that info?
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Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:26 pm |
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kf7mjf
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I think I found it on Tuco's website when I was looking for some information on why the US can't import SVT's. One of the smaller importers was posting about it. I'll dig it up when I have some energy
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Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:07 am |
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Zwitter
Location: Puyallup Joined: Wed Jul 4, 2012 Posts: 1128
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This is where most of the Thompson kits are coming from as well. SVT would be a cool piece to have, finicky but cool.
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Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:42 pm |
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Mohawk13
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Yuep. Two Thompsons per M3 tank that the US supplied to the Russians. They used the tank, but had a better sub gun. Put the Thompsons into storage until recent times..
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Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:23 pm |
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Zwitter
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Mohawk13 wrote: Yuep. Two Thompsons per M3 tank that the US supplied to the Russians. They used the tank, but had a better sub gun. Put the Thompsons into storage until recent times.. Better and no .45 ammo.
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Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:30 pm |
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MosinZealot
Location: Tumwater/Lacey Joined: Sun Jul 8, 2012 Posts: 89
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_________________ I am a Mosin Nagant evangelist, and I am on a mission to convert YOU! Always looking for Non-Import marked Nagant revolvers and Mosin Nagant rifles! Contact me if you are willing to sell!
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Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:54 pm |
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MosinZealot
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Here is another installation of more than meets the eye when someone is looking at Mosins. Thanks to one our members here, MadPick, he shared some photos with me so I could put together a write up on this topic. First we will start off with a Dragoon model. These models began production shortly after original production of the M91 long rifle. A Dragoon, the predecessor to the 91/30, is the same overall length of a 91/30. The main difference is the sights. The Dragoon rifles utilize the same sights as a M91. Rear sight graduated in Arshins, front blade sight. Another distinct difference is the barrel shank depending on the arsenal that produced it. Here are two pictures of barrel shanks from separate Dragoons. Izhevsk Dragoon, Soviet production looks just like a 91/30 barrel shank. Ex-Dragoons. This particular rifle was originally produced as a Dragoon rifle. It's status as an 'ex-Dragoon' is evident by the arsenal writing on the barrel shank as seen here: In addition to the writing on the barrel shank, the other way to confirm ex-Dragoon status is to look at the base of the rear sight. During the late 1920s, and early 1930s transition from Dragoon to 91/30 production began. Hex receivers were still used in to the early to mid 1930s, and of course recycled hex receivers can also be found frequently. Here is a great look at an ex-Dragoon with updated 91/30 rear sight When the rear sight is flipped up, this gap can be seen at the base of the rear sight closest to the barrel shank. A standard 91/30 rear sight will not illustrate this gap, and look flush. Here is an example of a 91/30 sight base with 2 pins in it holding it in place off of a 1943 Izhevsk 91/30 Here is another example of a 91/30 rear sight base off a 1944 Izhevsk ex-sniper. Perhaps there will need to be another post on how to recognize an ex-sniper Questions, comments? Please!
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Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:18 am |
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MadPick
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Awesome writeup and photos, MZ . . . thank you, sir. I'm learning a lot! MosinZealot wrote: A Dragoon, the predecessor to the 91/30, is the same overall length of a 91/30. My understanding from my time as an internet commando this past week is that the Dragoon rifles are slightly shorter than the M91/30 rifles. The Dragoons are 48.5" long, and the M91/30s are . . . 50+", I don't remember the number. True?
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Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:50 am |
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Mohawk13
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Brad...That Dragoon rear sight is Cossack Marked also...The difference between a Dragoon and a 91/30 is basically the sights and about a 1/4" of barrel length...
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Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:52 am |
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lamrith
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Thanks again for the great thread. I just linked it to a friend in Montana that scored a pair of number matching 91/30's (the dirty punk) for $89.99/ea. 1939 hex and a 43 round.
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Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:13 am |
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usrifle
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MadPick wrote: Awesome writeup and photos, MZ . . . thank you, sir. I'm learning a lot! MosinZealot wrote: A Dragoon, the predecessor to the 91/30, is the same overall length of a 91/30. My understanding from my time as an internet commando this past week is that the Dragoon rifles are slightly shorter than the M91/30 rifles. The Dragoons are 48.5" long, and the M91/30s are . . . 50+", I don't remember the number. True? Dragoons also had a unique handguard and solid barrel bands. Very uncommon to find one with the solid bands, and even more uncommon with the proper handguard.
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:59 am |
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usrifle
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_________________ Mr. Q wrote: so basically, if you have to smoke some asshole, make sure they become fertilizer and then Bounce? got it.
Guntrader wrote: Huh, maybe I was an asshole.
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