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Is braces going away soon?
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jorgeu
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Joined: Tue Aug 22, 2017 Posts: 631
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if they get NFA'ed can you just remove the brace and instantly be complaint back to a pistol? shouldering the buffer tube doesn't seem too comfy.
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Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:13 am |
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os2firefox
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Location: Everett, WA Joined: Sat Aug 4, 2012 Posts: 2798
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They can always go after you with constructive possession for owning a pistol AR and brace (once it's disallowed), but probably unlikely unless you were committing another crime.
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Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:22 pm |
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Tonydec
Location: Tacoma Joined: Wed Jun 4, 2014 Posts: 483
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Not supposed to be shouldered is the issue, just a cheek weld if not actually braced against forearm is my understanding. That's where I think they went wrong by using the adjustable buffer tubes. In their minds makes it easier to replace quickly with a regular stock as opposed to the true pistol buffer tube which is just a smooth round tube. The whole thing is just stupid. They made a decision somewhere along the line that an "incidental" shouldering did not change the true intended purpose of a brace, yet now seeking a total ban.
IMHO, just another example of pushing the line and ruining it for everyone.
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Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:26 pm |
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MadPick
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jorgeu wrote: shouldering the buffer tube doesn't seem too comfy. Meh . . . go back in time a few years, and that's how we all did it. Well, sometimes you could shoulder the buffer tube, but in theory you just put the buffer tube against your cheek (just like it fits when using a stock), and went for it. Yeah, it's not ideal. But it works for wussy calibers like 5.56.
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RocketScott
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hkcavalier
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They can always change their mind...and they probably will...
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Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:29 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18453
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Biden directed DOJ to publish standards for when a brace turns a pistol into an SBR. This was due a couple days ago... According to the statement... https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eoDet ... id=168761#OIRA (Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs) Conclusion of EO 12866 Regulatory Review Title: Stabilizing Brace Factoring Criteria Agency/Subagency: DOJ / ATF Major: Yes Received Date: 05/17/2021 Stage: Proposed Rule Concluded Date: 06/04/2021 Economically Significant: Yes
Quote: ... it is likely to have an annual effect on the economy of $100 million or more or adversely affect in a material way the economy, a sector of the economy, productivity, competition, jobs, the environment, public health or safety, or State, local, or tribal governments or communities. Prepare Uranus.
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shaggy
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Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:32 pm |
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Arisaka
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Location: Tacoma Joined: Sat May 4, 2013 Posts: 6214
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ATF proposes redefining pistols with stabilizing braces as “rifles” https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulatio ... ing-braces
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Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:21 pm |
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surevaliance
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After all, here in WA we will not be able to carry loaded AR, AK, etc. pistols in our vehicles.
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Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:30 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18453
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So, if you have a hand stop, and a side folding adapter, even with a brace that doesn't meet any of their criteria, you have an SBR.
If you have a second grip, it's an SBR.
Fuck these guys.
and, get this...
" Presence of Rifle-type Back-up / Flip-up Sights / Or no sights" 1 point
So, if you HAVE sights, you get a point. If you have NO signts, you get a point.
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Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:32 pm |
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User 1234
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Location: Pierce County Joined: Sun Oct 14, 2018 Posts: 1126
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The penalty for sights is to level the playing field. Criminals don’t use sights during their drive bys so why should anyone else. Redistribution of marksmanship.
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Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:43 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Quote: The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives reserves the right to preclude classification as a pistol with a "stabilizing braces" for any firearm that achieves an apparent qualifying score but is an attempt to make a "short-barreled rifle" and circumvent the GCA or NFA." So, basically, even IF you follow their directives, and pass the 'points test', they can still arrest you and charge you with unlawful possession of an SBR... if they feel like it..
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Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:57 pm |
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RocketScott
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User 1234 wrote: Redistribution of marksmanship. Oh shit, That's good
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Gman
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RocketScott wrote: User 1234 wrote: Redistribution of marksmanship. Oh shit, That's good Indeed.
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