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 Rare Breed Triggers' FRT-15 - now confiscations! 
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WitchyWoman wrote:
Before bump triggers, the method to do this was to hang a finger in a belt loop of ones pants and push forward on the AK or other platform. That did the same thing these triggers did and it worked just fine for me. A person could even do it without the finger by getting good at just the forward pressure as the rifle recoiled back. Are they going to ban that method to? Guess we better ban peoples fingers. icon_eek

You know the French actually used to do exactly that to English Longbowmen? Catch one, lop his middle finger off so he couldn't nock an arrow again... hence the presentation of middle finger in battle that evolved into the One Finger Salute we all know and love today.

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Wed May 25, 2022 6:32 pm
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WitchyWoman wrote:
Very simple without fancy expensive devices and can be done from the shoulder as well, not against triggers but showing just how ridiculous it is to be demonizing bump fire like devices.




Can't compare the FRT to any bump stock or fingering device. they are damn near full auto. you can fire accurately from the shoulder which is impossible with the belt loop trick or even bump stock

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Thu May 26, 2022 9:13 am
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And now, someone has been arrested and charged with possession of machine guns for owning FRT-15 triggers:


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Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:57 pm
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And now, someone has been arrested and charged with possession of machine guns for owning FRT-15 triggers:

Yup, they know John Q. Public has a lot less resources to defend against the lawsuit than rarebreed does.

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Sounds like he had bigger issues than the FRT trigger's, they just added that to the pile of his issues. Is it bullshit? Sure....but he had a whole lot of other issues that attracted the attention of the ATF beyond those.

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This is going to be a tough one to get behind

Holyoke man arrested after more than 40 machine guns seized
https://www.wwlp.com/news/crime/holyoke-man-arrested-after-more-than-40-machine-guns-seized/

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The conversion devices and forced reset triggers found in the home were the following:
  • One PTR Industries, Inc., model PTR 9, 9x19mm caliber firearm bearing serial number 9MC010480 with one magazine and an altered HK MP5-type machinegun trigger housing installed
  • 38 “switch-type” Glock machinegun conversion devices bearing a counterfeit Glock logo
  • Three Rare Breed FRT-15 forced reset triggers designed to allow drop-in installation into AR-15 type firearms, with no serial number
  • One Tommy Triggers FRT-15-3MD forced reset trigger designed to allow drop-in installation into AR-15-type firearms, with no serial number
  • One Imperial Arms Co., model EFFEN 90, 5.7x28mm caliber firearm bearing serial number HXX37 with one magazine
  • One PTR Industries, Inc., model PTR 9, 9x19mm caliber firearm bearing serial number 9MK001951 with a collapsible shoulder stock, thread protector, electronic sight, and forward grip, and with one magazine
  • One Sig Sauer, model MPX, 9x19mm caliber firearm bearing serial number 62B058947 with an electronic sight, a forward grip, and a Maxim Defense collapsible shoulder stock, and with one magazine
  • One Intratec, model Tec-9, 9x19mm caliber firearm bearing serial number 54601, with a secondary forward grip and a synthetic sling
  • Two black firearms silencers with no markings

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Nobody is saying that the guy is innocent on all charges … but keep the point of this thread in mind, that the ATF has single-handedly decided to ignore the legal definition of a machine gun, and they are now charging people for possession of the forced reset trigger.

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It's NOT a recession machine gun.

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Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:07 am
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Alright, able to give this a quick look-over on my lunch break. Looks like the guy had a lot more potentially illegal stuff than I originally assumed (I'll have to remember this next time I get after someone for just reading the headline). I've broken the list they gave into groups based on likely illegal, contested legality, more information needed, and likely legal:

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38 “switch-type” Glock machinegun conversion devices bearing a counterfeit Glock logo
Probably not much defense here. If I had to guess how he got caught, it would be that he bought some or all of these from a honeypot.
Side note: why the heck would you have 38 of these?
One PTR Industries, Inc., model PTR 9, 9x19mm caliber firearm bearing serial number 9MK001951 with a collapsible shoulder stock, thread protector, electronic sight, and forward grip, and with one magazine
If the article is truthful and it actually has a stock and not a brace, and a VFG rather than an AFG, that would be an SBR or an AOW.
One Sig Sauer, model MPX, 9x19mm caliber firearm bearing serial number 62B058947 with an electronic sight, a forward grip, and a Maxim Defense collapsible shoulder stock, and with one magazine
I can't tell if that is a brace or a stock. Assuming the reporting is correct, it would be an illegal SBR or AOW.
Two black firearms silencers with no markings
No markings mean those are illegal silencers.

Legality contested, at least in part
Three Rare Breed FRT-15 forced reset triggers designed to allow drop-in installation into AR-15 type firearms, with no serial number
It's not determined yet if the FRT is a machinegun; if it's not, the absence of a serial wouldn't make the slightest difference.
One Tommy Triggers FRT-15-3MD forced reset trigger designed to allow drop-in installation into AR-15-type firearms, with no serial number
Same as above.

More information needed
One PTR Industries, Inc., model PTR 9, 9x19mm caliber firearm bearing serial number 9MC010480 with one magazine and an altered HK MP5-type machinegun trigger housing installed
This doesn't specify if the modified trigger housing is housing a full auto trigger pack. In fact, "modified" makes me think he's running the HK housing on his semiauto PTR.
Side note: who pays the money for full auto MP5 parts and puts them on a PTR? Lame.
One Intratec, model Tec-9, 9x19mm caliber firearm bearing serial number 54601, with a secondary forward grip and a synthetic sling
Assuming it was an AFG, that would be legal. A quick google search shows most of the forward grips for a Tec9 are AFGs.

Likely legal:
One Imperial Arms Co., model EFFEN 90, 5.7x28mm caliber firearm bearing serial number HXX37 with one magazine

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The guy is basically screwed so of course the ATF is going to dump all the charges that they can and then they will have a presidence once he is convicted.


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Patent case against Big Daddy's Wide Open Trigger may complicate things for Rare Breed's FRT

https://www.ammoland.com/2022/08/judge- ... L_CAMPAIGN)

Judge asked the AFT for (dis)information.

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An update, courtesy of Caveman Jim:

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I just found this on another forum, if there is another thread on FRT’s case then update it please. Thank you very much.

https://vimeo.com/856968261?utm_source= ... %3D.ThLeNS

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^ Skip to 9:10 at that link if you want to know whether Rare Breed has turned over their customer list . . . short answer is "no" but they do have some shipping info.

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^ Also in that video is information about a newly-filed court case to fight the ATF, including a "call to action" to donate to NAGR (National Association for Gun Rights). Part of your donation will be used to fund your NAGR membership, and they will be asking the court for an injunction to protect NAGR members, similar to what has happened in other cases for the pistol brace rule.

In short: If you own a Rare Breed trigger, you may want to donate. And if you don't own a Rare Breed trigger, please donate anyhow!

Here's the direct link to donate, or you can find it in the video description: https://secure.anedot.com/national-foun ... gger-ban-d

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