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Fully loaded mag for 12 years, never agian!
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hartcreek
Location: Union Gap Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2016 Posts: 1801
Real Name: Randall Knapp
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And taper crimp..that is part of the problem. Even cartrideges that headspace on the case mouth can be toll crimped .002. That edge in the roll crimp makes a huge difference.
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| Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:55 pm |
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surevaliance
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Location: AZ Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2018 Posts: 7231
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Old Growth wrote: Its just junk metal. You car sits on its own weight on its SPRINGS for decades. The quality of spring steel used by different MFGers can vary greatly. Hey, it’s Springfailed! 
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| Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:11 pm |
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reginald_burrito
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Location: Not Seattle Joined: Wed Nov 2, 2016 Posts: 706
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scrid2000 wrote: Kawasucky wrote: hartcreek wrote: If your ammunition is not propperly made you will get set back just the way it is which is why my reloads do not rely on neck tension alone. Have never had a set back and never will. I also have a good taper crimp that will probably hold up real well. I don't use the mag to load the chamber round, I drop it in the chamber, close the bolt (slide), and then install the mag. That's probably not good for your extractor. Depends on the gun. I understand external extractors are usually immune to this. A definite no in a standard design 1911
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| Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:46 pm |
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deafPapa1985
Location: Bremerton Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2020 Posts: 226
Real Name: Ben
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Old Growth wrote: Its just junk metal.
You car sits on its own weight on its SPRINGS for decades.
The quality of spring steel used by different MFGers can vary greatly. Yes this. I've loaded my mags to full capacity or close and I'll probably just take some out in the near future or not. Metals from different sources will happen to respond differently... probably the reason why we are encouraged strongly to buy lots of mags so in case these fail, it's grab the next one. You'll find that mags will stick because of their pot metal like quality or their easily corroded metal like aluminum that might tend to 'stick' having two different metals in them. They can work but to a point where I've found them at ranges in different states of disrepair. They're like 5 bucks or close to that? they're not gonna survive long and they really aren't meant to unless you are really meticulous about them and the prevention of their exposure. Not exactly rocket science although springs have been the source of rocket engineering, it's use at your own discretion.
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| Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:04 am |
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Gman
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Location: Unincorporated Rural Pierce County Joined: Mon Feb 24, 2020 Posts: 1804
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MadPick wrote: Thanks, Steve, I can see what you're saying in that last pic. So what's the lesson here? 1) Cycling your springs wears them out. 2) Storing your mags loaded wears them out. 3) Shit, leaving your mags empty probably wears them out. 4) Buy as many fucking mags as you can before July 1st, and load 'em or don't, it probably doesn't matter.  And maybe buy some replacement springs to have on hand in case you have one or more go bad.
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| Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:43 am |
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shaggy
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Location: Snohomish Co Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2018 Posts: 1940
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Also another thing... If your defensive ammo is too expensive to initially fire a box of 50 rounds, then every couple years cycle some more, then you need cheaper ammo or a bigger gun.
What i mean is initially you should cycle the gun to make sure it wont misfeed, especially with various hollow points. From there, every couple years make sure everything still likes your ammo(incase it gets fowled or worn and cycles differently). I guess where i'm going, is you shouldnt be in a position were a mag stays loaded for 12 years
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| Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:13 pm |
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Kawasucky
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Location: Bremerton or Xanadu Joined: Wed May 4, 2011 Posts: 973
Real Name: Steve
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shaggy wrote: Also another thing... If your defensive ammo is too expensive to initially fire a box of 50 rounds, then every couple years cycle some more, then you need cheaper ammo or a bigger gun.
What i mean is initially you should cycle the gun to make sure it wont misfeed, especially with various hollow points. From there, every couple years make sure everything still likes your ammo(incase it gets fowled or worn and cycles differently). I guess where i'm going, is you shouldnt be in a position were a mag stays loaded for 12 years I do shoot the same rounds (defensive rounds) I reload out of that gun. Price of the ammo meant nothing in my keeping the mag full. I left mag loaded for 12 years, because as I understood it, there is no problem leaving it loaded, the problem was cycling the mag and weakening the spring and giving a chance of fracturing the metal. The last I time I shot it, was to run through the ammo and see how the mag worked. I'm really glad I did that or I would have not seen the issue of the twisted spring. You are right, I will not be keeping ANY of my mags loaded for more than one year. Every mag I use on a monthly basis has worked flawlessly for more than the 12 years. I will now cycle through mags and I have stocked up on new (never used) mags and extra springs as well. I'm glad I got all of that before the crazyness that is about to happen with the ban!
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| Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:12 am |
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SnakePlissken
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Location: Whatcom Joined: Mon Jan 23, 2017 Posts: 424
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True but it isn't sitting bottomed out. Magazine springs are designed with a greater percentage of travel in mind but ita still possible to have a failure in that range on compression. I bet I'm not the only one who's fully loaded a vehicle down to their bump stops and broken a relatively new coil without even driving anywhere. Some of this is why pickups don't have coils though. Either way a mag spring should be designed to rest at full compression, but there's a lot of variables that can confound that. Who knows, maybe this mag was always bad as some have guessed but it could have just needed a few more cycles to show it before going into storage. Or there was an issue with the spring design that doesn't take into account pressure from the bottom of the slide against the top round? I've seen some poly mags with bad floor plates that were applying extra pressure from below... ...so yes let's all just buy more spares! Old Growth wrote: Its just junk metal.
You car sits on its own weight on its SPRINGS for decades.
The quality of spring steel used by different MFGers can vary greatly.
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| Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:15 am |
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surevaliance
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Location: AZ Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2018 Posts: 7231
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I'm 55, so my mags' springs most likely will survive me.
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| Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:26 am |
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