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United Parcel Service is terminating the accounts of gun....
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usrifle
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dreadi wrote: MadPick wrote: dreadi wrote: MadPick wrote: How is this going to work now when you have a gun that needs to be sent back to the manufacturer for warranty work? Or you want to send a gun to a gunsmith?
This is a HUGE issue for the average gun owner. Manufacturer can send you a label. A smith with a proper UPS account can do the same. Yes, and the label says "from me" and "to FFL." But it's still me, a non-FFL, shipping the gun. The label can say from FFL and to FFL, if the FFL creates the label correctly and you handing it to a driver does not make you the shipper. How is that not falsifying the label when it's not coming from an FFL? Since most of us don't have an FFL UPS account, we have to go to hub. If you don't have a copy of 2 FFL's to show them, it won't work.
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cmica
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make it ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Just go see Dana and he can do it
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MadPick
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cmica wrote: Just go see Dana and he can do it So in this theoretical situation, let's say that I need to send a gun back to the manufacturer for repair. I take it to Dana, he ships it to the manufacturer for me. So now: - Will the manufacturer ship it straight back to me, like they have in the past? I'm guessing not, since they didn't receive it from me. They'll send it back to Dana. - Once Dana receives it, will he give the gun straight back to me? Or will I need to go through the background check process to get my own gun back? I know that a gunsmith will give you your gun back without a background check, if they receive it from you. But that's not really the case here.
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jukk0u
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Part of the UPS new regs say that the outside of the box must contain no markings indicating that there is a firearm within... don't ask, don't tell?
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Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:11 pm |
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RocketScott
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FOB = Freight On Board
That’s probably the important term that hasn’t been mentioned
If the FFL sends a shipping label on their account it’s FOB for the FFL wherever you drop it off to go out. It’s basically theirs as soon as it hits UPS. The FFL is shipping it to themselves
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Sat Sep 03, 2022 5:38 pm |
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dreadi
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MadPick wrote: dreadi wrote: The label can say from FFL and to FFL, if the FFL creates the label correctly and you handing it to a driver does not make you the shipper. I sure hope that UPS sees it the same way you do . . . because factually, I'm the one shipping it. This will also impact everyone who sells a gun and ships it to a buyer; the seller will now need to pay an FFL to ship it. Absolute fucking idiocy. I have no idea what the perceived logic is behind these new policies. Post Office still accepts long guns from non licensees.
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Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:22 pm |
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dreadi
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usrifle wrote: dreadi wrote: MadPick wrote: dreadi wrote: MadPick wrote: How is this going to work now when you have a gun that needs to be sent back to the manufacturer for warranty work? Or you want to send a gun to a gunsmith?
This is a HUGE issue for the average gun owner. Manufacturer can send you a label. A smith with a proper UPS account can do the same. Yes, and the label says "from me" and "to FFL." But it's still me, a non-FFL, shipping the gun. The label can say from FFL and to FFL, if the FFL creates the label correctly and you handing it to a driver does not make you the shipper. How is that not falsifying the label when it's not coming from an FFL? Since most of us don't have an FFL UPS account, we have to go to hub. If you don't have a copy of 2 FFL's to show them, it won't work. Have you ever received and RMA and return label for a firearm? What name was on it for the shipper? UPS policy does not allow for firearms to accepted at the customer counter.
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Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:26 pm |
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dreadi
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jukk0u wrote: Part of the UPS new regs say that the outside of the box must contain no markings indicating that there is a firearm within... don't ask, don't tell? That was a requirement for they published new policies.
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Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:27 pm |
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jukk0u
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That doesn't answer the question.
Another question I posed earlier was if Joey Brownshorts was going to open packages he was there to pick up, to ensure serialization.
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dreadi
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MadPick wrote: cmica wrote: Just go see Dana and he can do it So in this theoretical situation, let's say that I need to send a gun back to the manufacturer for repair. I take it to Dana, he ships it to the manufacturer for me. So now: - Will the manufacturer ship it straight back to me, like they have in the past? I'm guessing not, since they didn't receive it from me. They'll send it back to Dana. - Once Dana receives it, will he give the gun straight back to me? Or will I need to go through the background check process to get my own gun back? I know that a gunsmith will give you your gun back without a background check, if they receive it from you. But that's not really the case here. I personally have spoken to the ATF about this. Yes, if FFL A acquires a firearm from a non licensee and disposes of it to FFL B for service, FFL A can dispose of it back to the non licensee without facilitating or conducting a background check.
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Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:31 pm |
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dreadi
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cmica wrote: make it ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Just go see Dana and he can do it I have not decided if I will offer this service.
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Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:32 pm |
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jukk0u
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Does that transfer square with state law?
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“A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli
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Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:32 pm |
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dreadi
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NWGunner wrote: dreadi wrote: MadPick wrote: dreadi wrote: MadPick wrote: How is this going to work now when you have a gun that needs to be sent back to the manufacturer for warranty work? Or you want to send a gun to a gunsmith?
This is a HUGE issue for the average gun owner. Manufacturer can send you a label. A smith with a proper UPS account can do the same. Yes, and the label says "from me" and "to FFL." But it's still me, a non-FFL, shipping the gun. The label can say from FFL and to FFL, if the FFL creates the label correctly and you handing it to a driver does not make you the shipper. It’s only because you’re an FFL that you don’t see any problems with this, and other things in this thread. Do not presume to know anything about me. You do not know me.
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SFCRMSA
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dreadi wrote: NWGunner wrote: dreadi wrote: MadPick wrote: dreadi wrote: MadPick wrote: How is this going to work now when you have a gun that needs to be sent back to the manufacturer for warranty work? Or you want to send a gun to a gunsmith?
This is a HUGE issue for the average gun owner. Manufacturer can send you a label. A smith with a proper UPS account can do the same. Yes, and the label says "from me" and "to FFL." But it's still me, a non-FFL, shipping the gun. The label can say from FFL and to FFL, if the FFL creates the label correctly and you handing it to a driver does not make you the shipper. It’s only because you’re an FFL that you don’t see any problems with this, and other things in this thread. Do not presume to know anything about me. You do not know me. I know you are nice guy, and we have never met. I mean you get to play with guns for a living, you got a sharp looking dog, your wife looks way better than you... Nothing but love for you man. Well you do drive a Ford truck, so you ain't perfect.
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Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:51 pm |
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usrifle
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dreadi wrote: MadPick wrote: cmica wrote: Just go see Dana and he can do it So in this theoretical situation, let's say that I need to send a gun back to the manufacturer for repair. I take it to Dana, he ships it to the manufacturer for me. So now: - Will the manufacturer ship it straight back to me, like they have in the past? I'm guessing not, since they didn't receive it from me. They'll send it back to Dana. - Once Dana receives it, will he give the gun straight back to me? Or will I need to go through the background check process to get my own gun back? I know that a gunsmith will give you your gun back without a background check, if they receive it from you. But that's not really the case here. I personally have spoken to the ATF about this. Yes, if FFL A acquires a firearm from a non licensee and disposes of it to FFL B for service, FFL A can dispose of it back to the non licensee without facilitating or conducting a background check. The problem with that is, I still have to use an FFL to send my Firearm for repair (to an FFL) and then it's returned to the noted first FFL. No BGC to get it back? Yeah,but it's gonna cost money unless you decide to offer the service for free.
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