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Thinking About Doing The .460 Rowland Conversion.
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Breck
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...with my Springfield Armory Range Officer Operator.
To somewhat offset the price of ammo, I'll hand load for it.
Anyone with any experience with this care to chime in? Pros? Cons?
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-Breck
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KeystoneCowboy
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I've been wanting to for years. I have a RIA that falls in the list of good pistols to convert that I think will be my host. Missed a good deal on a conversion from SageLa a couple years back. No real advice other than I think the numbers are impressive and speak for themselves.
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Powderman
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I have also heard a lot about the caliber, and I finally got a chance to fire a few rounds from an XD45 that had a .460 barrel.
Here's my impression...
1. This is NOT a wimpy caliber. Most .45 ACP loads that I have loaded use a range of 3.5 to 6.5 grains of powder. The .460 load I sampled had 13.5 grains of a FAST burning powder. 2. Hitting a steel plate at 100 yards was no problem, and it arrived with SERIOUS authority. 3. It is NOT for the weak hearted. Recoil (to me) can be described as vicious. It's snappy, to be sure--and you'd better have a strong grip on the pistol. The closest thing I can equate the recoil to is my .500 Smith and Wesson with 350 grain loads. This is a SERIOUSLY powerful cartridge. 4. Final impression: If you want a cartridge with some SERIOUS horsepower for an in-the-woods cartridge, this is definitely your huckleberry. I would feel comfortable carrying this for dangerous game defense anywhere in the country. I seriously believe that you could roll a big hog, or even a bear with proper loads in this pistol. Be prepared for short pistol life, though--I don't think that a conventional frame will stand for too long under this caliber. Now--if there was something like a Desert Eagle, gas operated with a good brake/comp, that might be an all around winner.
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KeystoneCowboy
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Powderman wrote: I have also heard a lot about the caliber, and I finally got a chance to fire a few rounds from an XD45 that had a .460 barrel.
Here's my impression...
1. This is NOT a wimpy caliber. Most .45 ACP loads that I have loaded use a range of 3.5 to 6.5 grains of powder. The .460 load I sampled had 13.5 grains of a FAST burning powder. 2. Hitting a steel plate at 100 yards was no problem, and it arrived with SERIOUS authority. 3. It is NOT for the weak hearted. Recoil (to me) can be described as vicious. It's snappy, to be sure--and you'd better have a strong grip on the pistol. The closest thing I can equate the recoil to is my .500 Smith and Wesson with 350 grain loads. This is a SERIOUSLY powerful cartridge. 4. Final impression: If you want a cartridge with some SERIOUS horsepower for an in-the-woods cartridge, this is definitely your huckleberry. I would feel comfortable carrying this for dangerous game defense anywhere in the country. I seriously believe that you could roll a big hog, or even a bear with proper loads in this pistol. Be prepared for short pistol life, though--I don't think that a conventional frame will stand for too long under this caliber. Now--if there was something like a Desert Eagle, gas operated with a good brake/comp, that might be an all around winner. The 1911 conversions come with a bbl and comp. supposed to help tame the recoil and I imagine help pistol life. However on their website they list a specific set of manufacturers that they approve of to convert as they are known to have good solid frames. As you stated, I want one for a woods gun. I carry 1911s. Love doing so. So if there is a way to do this and get essentially 44mag performance, I am a fan. Damn it, now I need to shop for a conversion again!!
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:11 am |
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beckdw
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Brownells has the conversion. I have been seriously considering getting a 1911 just to do this conversion. The stats on 460 Rowland are insane compared to most semi-auto handgun rounds.
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:16 pm |
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BlDtyLry
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I have converted a Glock 21 Gen4 to 460 Rowland and it shoots "hard". Knowing what I know now I would go with a aluminum or steel receiver with full length slide rails. I chrono'd 230gr Hornady XTP at 1250fps. I went as high as 1300fps and noticed a crack in the slide by the ejection port. That's was it for me. I highly recommend starting with a very high quality host, weigh down the slide, use a massive muzzle brake, and install the heaviest recoil spring you can find.
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os2firefox
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Out of curiosity, anyone know how .460 Rowland would compare to .460 Smith and Wesson?
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:33 pm |
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KeystoneCowboy
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BlDtyLry wrote: I have converted a Glock 21 Gen4 to 460 Rowland and it shoots "hard". Knowing what I know now I would go with a aluminum or steel receiver with full length slide rails. I chrono'd 230gr Hornady XTP at 1250fps. I went as high as 1300fps and noticed a crack in the slide by the ejection port. That's was it for me. I highly recommend starting with a very high quality host, weigh down the slide, use a massive muzzle brake, and install the heaviest recoil spring you can find. See my post above. Converting a 1911 instead of any of the poly options takes care of those issues. It was originally made for the 1911, and frankly not sure why it was fitted to other guns as they clearly have problems handling it.
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:25 pm |
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Breck
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Jagerbomber35 wrote: BlDtyLry wrote: I have converted a Glock 21 Gen4 to 460 Rowland and it shoots "hard". Knowing what I know now I would go with a aluminum or steel receiver with full length slide rails. I chrono'd 230gr Hornady XTP at 1250fps. I went as high as 1300fps and noticed a crack in the slide by the ejection port. That's was it for me. I highly recommend starting with a very high quality host, weigh down the slide, use a massive muzzle brake, and install the heaviest recoil spring you can find. See my post above. Converting a 1911 instead of any of the poly options takes care of those issues. It was originally made for the 1911, and frankly not sure why it was fitted to other guns as they clearly have problems handling it. Yeah. Like I said, I’ll be converting my Springer 1911. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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usrifle
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Breck, i went to their Website and watched Video and i was impressed. I say go for it, especially Hand loading for the Cartridge to bring costs down. Can i shoot it after you get one of the conversions?
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:48 pm |
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Breck
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usrifle wrote: Breck, i went to their Website and watched Video and i was impressed. I say go for it, especially Hand loading for the Cartridge to bring costs down. Can i shoot it after you get one of the conversions? Absolutely. You first.
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Breck
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Powderman wrote: I have also heard a lot about the caliber, and I finally got a chance to fire a few rounds from an XD45 that had a .460 barrel.
Here's my impression...
1. This is NOT a wimpy caliber. Most .45 ACP loads that I have loaded use a range of 3.5 to 6.5 grains of powder. The .460 load I sampled had 13.5 grains of a FAST burning powder. 2. Hitting a steel plate at 100 yards was no problem, and it arrived with SERIOUS authority. 3. It is NOT for the weak hearted. Recoil (to me) can be described as vicious. It's snappy, to be sure--and you'd better have a strong grip on the pistol. The closest thing I can equate the recoil to is my .500 Smith and Wesson with 350 grain loads. This is a SERIOUSLY powerful cartridge. 4. Final impression: If you want a cartridge with some SERIOUS horsepower for an in-the-woods cartridge, this is definitely your huckleberry. I would feel comfortable carrying this for dangerous game defense anywhere in the country. I seriously believe that you could roll a big hog, or even a bear with proper loads in this pistol. Be prepared for short pistol life, though--I don't think that a conventional frame will stand for too long under this caliber. Now--if there was something like a Desert Eagle, gas operated with a good brake/comp, that might be an all around winner. See. this is my only issue. I am no bitch when it comes to recoil. I love it. My hunting sidearm is my Glock 20 10mm. It has enough poop behind it to make me feel fine about dropping anything on four legs or two on this continent, should the unfortunate occasion arise. That said, I will likely continue to carry the Glock on hunting trips. The .460 Rowland will, for all intents and purposes, only serve for recreational shooting. Should I spend the $320 just for a range gun? I already have it in .45 Auto.
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Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:43 am |
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Breck
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os2firefox wrote: Out of curiosity, anyone know how .460 Rowland would compare to .460 Smith and Wesson? Nowhere near. The .460 S&W Mag pushes a 200gr bullet at over 2,300 fps. 'nuff said.
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Duke EB
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Jagerbomber35 wrote: Powderman wrote: I have also heard a lot about the caliber, and I finally got a chance to fire a few rounds from an XD45 that had a .460 barrel.
Here's my impression...
1. This is NOT a wimpy caliber. Most .45 ACP loads that I have loaded use a range of 3.5 to 6.5 grains of powder. The .460 load I sampled had 13.5 grains of a FAST burning powder. 2. Hitting a steel plate at 100 yards was no problem, and it arrived with SERIOUS authority. 3. It is NOT for the weak hearted. Recoil (to me) can be described as vicious. It's snappy, to be sure--and you'd better have a strong grip on the pistol. The closest thing I can equate the recoil to is my .500 Smith and Wesson with 350 grain loads. This is a SERIOUSLY powerful cartridge. 4. Final impression: If you want a cartridge with some SERIOUS horsepower for an in-the-woods cartridge, this is definitely your huckleberry. I would feel comfortable carrying this for dangerous game defense anywhere in the country. I seriously believe that you could roll a big hog, or even a bear with proper loads in this pistol. Be prepared for short pistol life, though--I don't think that a conventional frame will stand for too long under this caliber. Now--if there was something like a Desert Eagle, gas operated with a good brake/comp, that might be an all around winner. The 1911 conversions come with a bbl and comp. supposed to help tame the recoil and I imagine help pistol life. However on their website they list a specific set of manufacturers that they approve of to convert as they are known to have good solid frames. As you stated, I want one for a woods gun. I carry 1911s. Love doing so. So if there is a way to do this and get essentially 44mag performance, I am a fan. Damn it, now I need to shop for a conversion again!! Before you do the conversion, check with sagela and sagewa to see how they liked it. I know sagewa wasn't impressed.
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KeystoneCowboy
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Duke EB wrote: Jagerbomber35 wrote: Powderman wrote: I have also heard a lot about the caliber, and I finally got a chance to fire a few rounds from an XD45 that had a .460 barrel.
Here's my impression...
1. This is NOT a wimpy caliber. Most .45 ACP loads that I have loaded use a range of 3.5 to 6.5 grains of powder. The .460 load I sampled had 13.5 grains of a FAST burning powder. 2. Hitting a steel plate at 100 yards was no problem, and it arrived with SERIOUS authority. 3. It is NOT for the weak hearted. Recoil (to me) can be described as vicious. It's snappy, to be sure--and you'd better have a strong grip on the pistol. The closest thing I can equate the recoil to is my .500 Smith and Wesson with 350 grain loads. This is a SERIOUSLY powerful cartridge. 4. Final impression: If you want a cartridge with some SERIOUS horsepower for an in-the-woods cartridge, this is definitely your huckleberry. I would feel comfortable carrying this for dangerous game defense anywhere in the country. I seriously believe that you could roll a big hog, or even a bear with proper loads in this pistol. Be prepared for short pistol life, though--I don't think that a conventional frame will stand for too long under this caliber. Now--if there was something like a Desert Eagle, gas operated with a good brake/comp, that might be an all around winner. The 1911 conversions come with a bbl and comp. supposed to help tame the recoil and I imagine help pistol life. However on their website they list a specific set of manufacturers that they approve of to convert as they are known to have good solid frames. As you stated, I want one for a woods gun. I carry 1911s. Love doing so. So if there is a way to do this and get essentially 44mag performance, I am a fan. Damn it, now I need to shop for a conversion again!! Before you do the conversion, check with sagela and sagewa to see how they liked it. I know sagewa wasn't impressed. Ive talked to them both about it. They werent enough to scare me away from it. I have some fuck you money every once in a while now, whereas back when I saw them all the time I didnt. So a bit easier to justify a few hundred bucks for it. Didnt have the money when Larry sold his conversion a couple years ago. Have a donor pistol now, just need the conversion. Hard to argue the numbers though. Sure, they may not have cared for it or found a use for it, but the numbers are facts and to me they are impressive and something I have a use for and want to try. I personally dont dabble in 44mag, just 357mag, so this is a killer way to get an even better woods gun without adding totally new caliber( I will be buying small quantities of 460 and not loading for it) or gun platform. Breck, Im with ya brother. Go for it! Im right behind ya. Once I get my can cannon and free up a few bucks, this will be next on my list now. Will make sure it goes hunting with me this year I think.
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