Unfortunately the founding fathers of freedom allowed these subsections to have the right to bestow upon us by simple majority the forming opinion of the mob rule.

Although I agree, our two Senators will never listen to our messages against gun control. We know how Cantwell and Murray roll. The House may be the best place to focus, unless you wish to persuade Senators from other states.

Bush had many reasons he lost. He ended on a down economy and also pushed through a gun ban before Clinton did. That pissed many people off. Not to mention his NWO and thousand points of light speeches saying how great the new world order was.

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/15/us/us ... -bush.html

"WASHINGTON, March 14— The Bush Administration today banned imports of semiautomatic assault rifles indefinitely, pending a review of whether the military-style weapons are being used for sporting purposes. "

But Obama said they were OkeDoke!!!! Probably a ploy at the time...

AND CC Reciprocy.

The Art of the Deal. Negotiate until the other side feels they got the good deal.
Trump will concede to lefties and add a couple of new gun laws to the 22,000 that DON'T WORK in regards to mass shootings...and he'll do it to throw a few more votes past 50% for 2020.
He ain't no dummy and he ain't no politician.
He's a business man and knows how to move and shake.
Drain the swamp, filter out corruption (FBI) buy a few votes of folks sitting on the middle, win 2020.
He's a big mouth, too busy on Twitter, but I'm okay with that. About time our leader give some crap back to the liberal communists.

Sure. Yeah, no. He is exactly a politician. Promise everything to everyone, and does what he wants.



Do we really want to go into how great he is at business? The only thing he does well, is sells his cult of personality. He used to think Neo Liberals were the best buyers of that, until he met the right.



Drain the swamp, so he can put up his own hotel of his own crocks.

No way. They've been doing this since the 30s.

"I want your whole pie."

"Will you take half my pie?"

"Yes, give me half!"

"I didn't have to give my whole pie. I consider this a win!"

I voted for the guy and gave him the benefit of the doubt for a year but I am not liking some of the things I have seen him do. On the plus side, he is not Hillary.

Have you ever in your lifetime seen a presidential administration in which everything they do you like? Even Ben Shapiro has admitted that Trump has done some pretty good things and Shapiro is definitely no fan of trump. I voted for him, I did not ever expect that I would like everything his administration would do.

I helped fire GHWB for his treasonous import ban. He later admitted that gunners like me were the deciding factor in his dismissal. I can't read the entire thread now, but this is about FAR more than just bump stocks. Please take the time to watch this roundtable podcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUy6ZKsox38&t=102s

NRA are the a$$hats who started all this and tossed trump the ball

Of course not but have you actually seen what Trump has been pushing? Gun Owners of America agrees with me. I voted for Trump but he is talking about taking guns from people without due process. In my book, that is treason since it not only goes against the 2nd but the 4th. What would people be saying if Obama was talking like that.

All of a sudden because Trump has an R after his name he is the holy grail? Perhaps you agree with what Trump has been proposing but I never will. It is illegal, ignorant, and will solve nothing. Perhaps he is just pandering but the NRA got him elected with their support, not the Democratic gun control crowd.

I have agreed with things that Trump has done and I still would vote for the guy over Hillary, nothing has changed. I just do not buy that he is this great guy. He is talking about the same things he did in his book. He wanted to ban AR's then also.

I don't know how old you are but I've been fighting these turds for decades (back when George Herbert stabbed us in the back with his gun ban before Clintons ban). I've had it with this shit and I will not keep quiet when ANY President attacks the Constitutional rights of ANY citizen.

From GOA:

https://cqrcengage.com/gunowners/app/wr ... bU0B8&lp=0

"Lewis G. Carroll said it first: ‘’First the execution; then the trial.’’

On Wednesday, Donald Trump echoed that sentiment when he said: ‘’Take the guns first; go through due process later.’’
Well, that’s not exactly the way due process is supposed to work.

But Trump made these comments -- and more -- at a roundtable meeting with several congressmen at the White House.
He supported various gun control proposals and vowed to take on the gun lobby to get his measures passed.
That’s why I need to you to email your Senators today.

Tell them how deeply disappointed you are by the President's betrayal of gun owners, who he actively courted prior to the 2016 elections.
...
Trump endorses Gun Confiscation Orders

On Wednesday, Trump endorsed the heinous gun confiscation orders that several anti-gun states have enacted (California, Oregon, Washington, etc.).

Under these laws, the police or a relative or perhaps a government official could convene a secret court proceeding (called an ex parte hearing).

The gun owner would NOT be allowed to attend or make his or her case to the court.

And, in fact, the first they would know about it is when the SWAT team arrived at the door to ransack their house and, if they resisted, to arrest or even shoot them. This is what happened at Ruby Ridge.

Leftist anti-gun Senator Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) suggested to a beaming Trump that anyone you had ever dated should also be able to convene a secret proceeding to take away your guns.

Wow! Talk about driving a stake through the heart of the Second and Fourth Amendments.

This will open up our gun rights to horrific abuse -- as people will be able to take revenge against you to take away your rights, as happened to Shane Morgan in Oregon.

How ironic that just a few weeks ago, the President said in a tweet, when talking about one his aides, that, ‘’People’s lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation.... Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?’’

Apparently, due process is needed for people in the White House, but not for people who may be falsely accused and have their Second Amendment rights stripped from them.

Incidentally, the Gun Confiscation Orders would have done no good in Parkland, where the shooter was judged to be low risk.
But he COULD have been barred from buying a gun if he had been brought up on felony charges during any of the 40-50 police visits. And NEWS FLASH: Holding a gun to someone’s head IS a felony.

Not only that, he could have been deterred from even attacking a school if he knew, in advance, that there were armed adults inside the building.

But the gun confiscation orders were just the beginning of Trump’s anti-gun love-fest.

Trump endorses Universal Background (Registration) Checks

The base bill for Trump’s comprehensive anti-gun package is the proposal introduced by Senators Joe Manchin (D-WV) and Pat Toomey (R-PA) from 2013 -- legislation that is commonly known as Universal Background Checks.

Under that bill, if you wanted to sell your gun to your neighbor ... you and he would have to go to the nearest FFL ... pay whatever fee he chose to charge you (without limit, but you can expect to be AT LEAST $50 poorer) ... and then HOPE that you’re not one of the eight percent of all Brady Check purchasers who receives a YELLOW (hold) response.

At the very least, this would mean you would have to make two trips to the gun store. However, under very technical language in the 2013 version, it may be that you would NEVER be able to buy the gun.

Of course, the other problem with Universal Background Registration Checks is that the ATF is currently routinely making copies of 4473’s in many parts of the country.

Think about it, if everyone has to get a 4473 under Universal Background Checks, then everyone and their gun will appear in that national registry.

The Manchin-Toomey language garnered 54 votes in 2013, but then dropped to only 48 votes in 2015 and 44 votes in 2016.
So, right now, Universal Background Registration Checks are being supported by less than half the Senate. But don’t be surprised if President Trump starts twisting arms to get more votes.

Then there’s Feinstein’s semi-auto ban, which Trump also entertained as a possibility. Her bill would probably get roughly 35 votes in the Senate.

Trump openly asked Manchin and Toomey to accept the Feinstein semi-auto ban, which would ban millions of semi-automatic firearms -- and would ban standard capacity magazines, as well.

Trump dismisses pleas to pass concealed carry reciprocity

Concealed carry reciprocity was brought up at yesterday’s meeting.

But Trump rejected this bill as unachievable, even though it has already passed the House and has 55-60 votes in the Senate, based on our extrapolation of the 2013 vote on reciprocity in the Senate.

So to recap: A PRO-gun reciprocity bill with 55-60 votes is “unachievable” for Trump, but two horrendous, ANTI-gun bills supported by less than half of the Senate are the core of Trump’s agenda.

What does that tell you about Trump’s view of the Second Amendment -- and the gun lobby?

Finally, there is Trump’s continued push to disarm hundreds of thousands of soldiers and sailors -- who are perfectly capable of carrying a full automatic in Baghdad or Kabul -- but they will return to the U.S. to be treated as second-class citizens if Trump raises the age to purchase a long-gun to 21.

Kudos to pro-gun champions Sen. Steve Daines (R-MT) and Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA) for trying to steer Trump off his anti-gun rant.

Sen. Daines reiterated the need for armed protection inside our nation’s schools. And Rep. Scalise pled for Trump to reconsider concealed carry reciprocity. But Trump just dismissed Scalise’s pro-gun pleas.

Perhaps the only bright spot in Wednesday’s meeting was that Trump reiterated his support for arming teachers.

However, by the end of the meeting, it seemed pretty clear that Trump would not fight for this if it meant the death of the gun control package."

forgot where I read it, but if we give them bump stocks (or whatever) and we don't get CCW reciprocity or hearing protection act in return, then it isn't compromise, it is concession.

Wait just a god damned minute there mister. First, the comment you are replying to was posted before Trump made his recent statements about the AWB and other unconstitutional legislation. Second, nothing in the comment said I was okay with discarding due process or the other shit he has been spewing, or that since Trump is supposedly an R I support him blindly. I am with you, I dont buy that he is a great guy. I have been skeptical from the very start.

Listen here old timer, My age is irrelevant in this conversation, I'm old enough to know that you dont get extra patriot points just because you have been breathing longer than some of us and been fighting the good fight for longer. We are all in this fight, I'm not ignorant of history especially when it concerns gun control, and I am not the cheerleader bandwagon type; I can call a spade a spade and I call it like I see it. Trump has pissed me off and scared the shit out of me with the shit he has been saying. Like I have said before its extremely disappointing but not surprising coming from a NY liberal. Like you, I did not see the alternative in the general election, It was Trump or bust come what may. I still dont regret the decision because I know what the other candidate would have been like. Now would you kindly step off my dick please.