Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:35 am
Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:42 am
GeekWithGuns wrote:Attended an intermediate level pistol training course at a local training academy near Austin this weekend. One of my big takeaways is the concept of follow through in pistol shooting. Shot the class with a revo but the concepts are equally applicable to striker fired or DA/SA pistols.
My prior technique for taking a single shot consisted of:
- Acquire front sight
- Press trigger in one single pull
- Shot breaks
- Many students then release the trigger completely and instinctively lose their front sight focus, back to low ready, etc
So my prior thinking was that the shot cycle begins with sight acquisition and ends with the shot break. Repeat cycle as needed.
The instructors presented a new way of thinking about each single shot which includes a follow-through preparation for the next shot as well
- Take up slack in trigger while presenting/pushing out from ready position
- Acquire & focus on front sight
- Press trigger through final travel
- Shot breaks
- Follow sight movement up with recoil impulse
- Release trigger (don't remove trigger finger from trigger shoe)
- Take up slack in trigger while sights are in movement from recoil
- Sights back on target
So the sequence for a single shot begins with presentation and ends AFTER the shot breaks with sights back on target and slack removed from trigger. This constitutes a ready to fire state where the shooter then decides consciously whether to take a follow-up shot or to break down the shooting stance back to ready or holstered position.
This may seem fairly basic to the more advanced shooters on the forum though for myself was an epiphany in thinking about the shot cycle. Was just practicing this sequence in dry fire this morning.
How do other folks on the forum think about this topic?
Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:10 am
Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:18 am
DSynger wrote:Dry firing for competitions got me into that pattern, you usually have to put two rounds on a target to score. It's good when someone identifies and then passes on these processes.
Sounds like you got your money's worth from the course. I need to get some more official training. Critical feedback is very important for improving skill. Kudos for taking the class. I'm sure you didn't have any funny either ;)
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:15 am
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:24 am
AR15L wrote:GeekWithGuns wrote:Attended an intermediate level pistol training course at a local training academy near Austin this weekend. One of my big takeaways is the concept of follow through in pistol shooting. Shot the class with a revo but the concepts are equally applicable to striker fired or DA/SA pistols.
My prior technique for taking a single shot consisted of:
- Acquire front sight
- Press trigger in one single pull
- Shot breaks
- Many students then release the trigger completely and instinctively lose their front sight focus, back to low ready, etc
So my prior thinking was that the shot cycle begins with sight acquisition and ends with the shot break. Repeat cycle as needed.
The instructors presented a new way of thinking about each single shot which includes a follow-through preparation for the next shot as well
- Take up slack in trigger while presenting/pushing out from ready position
- Acquire & focus on front sight
- Press trigger through final travel
- Shot breaks
- Follow sight movement up with recoil impulse
- Release trigger (don't remove trigger finger from trigger shoe)
- Take up slack in trigger while sights are in movement from recoil
- Sights back on target
So the sequence for a single shot begins with presentation and ends AFTER the shot breaks with sights back on target and slack removed ...
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:32 am
quantsuff wrote:It is also useful for defense. it is more important to practice making good/fast decisions than pressing triggers. Adding a "mental" follow through (ex: asking "do I need to shoot again?") To your shot cycle can only help.
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:38 am
quantsuff wrote:...look up "ride the reset" and you can streamline this a bit more. Instead of releasing past the reset, then retaking up slack as your sights settle, you *only* release to reset, no farther. No need to take up slack again. Small, but important, detail.
Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:21 pm
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:56 pm
Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:40 pm
Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:07 am
Cerberus Group wrote:Example, when shooting a string of say 4 rounds, one should have 5 sight pictures. Essentially what was taught in your class...getting ready for shot number...next. Good for those instructors teaching this concept.
I find folks will relax too soon after shooting a string, which in street terms is essentially giving up.
There's an old term called "Sights on, slack up"...the "Slack up" part is optional, a personal preference.
Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:11 am
Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:38 am
Duke EB wrote: I've read that some people can process so quickly, they see a movie as a series of frames(which is what it is,24frames per second) instead of a flowing video.
Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:00 am
PinSniper wrote:Duke EB wrote: I've read that some people can process so quickly, they see a movie as a series of frames(which is what it is,24frames per second) instead of a flowing video.
OK this is way off topic, but humans don't see in frames. In fact, we see very poorly in general but it's not in frames. But if you want to talk about frames, most humans can see the difference between 24, 30 and 60 fps. I'd still say that most can tell the difference between 60 and 120 and a minority can tell the difference between 120 and 144.
In terms of wether we can tell what frame 30 was displaying in a video playing at 60 frames per second.. had on it if it had no relation to the other frame (like a frame splice, like the fabled frame of "BUY COKE" inserted into movies), that has everything to do with how humans work, that being pschologically prepared to see the frame is more important than the phsyical condition of your eyes.
Think like this awareness test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJyWIghprxI
https://www.livescience.com/6727-invisi ... otice.html
Like there's a difference between hearing and listening, there is a difference between seeing and looking.
In terms of shot calling, you really don't need any special skills to start doing it. Just try.
And in just writing that... I'm not certain that shot calling is what you should be training for if you shoot defensively. The above tests prove that humans can only LOOK for one thing at a time, just like they can only listen to one thing at a time. Where shots end up in a defensive scenario might not be the best use of your attention.