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 My first Squib experience today. Now what? 
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Guns4Liberty wrote:
^This. If the hammer reset, the first (and only) round fired passed the gas port and most likely exited the barrel. The bolt just didn't cycle far enough back to grab the next round. So you probably just have a stuck empty case. Brass rod slammed on the ground should do it.

G4L really got me to thinking and I became more convinced than ever that this had to be a stuck case. A case of a stuck case, if you will. I finally located an extension piece for my rod and was able to probe the barrel and determine that there was not a squib present. So I rammed the rod against the case a few times and vwalla!

:woohoo: VICTORY!!! :woohoo: The case popped out! So now I'm left wondering, what caused this to happen? Here are some views of the case in question. Any ideas what would cause a casing to stick like this?



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It’s gonna take to a couple seconds to fix.. Get your regular metal cleaning rods and a brass attachment inserted in the muzzle towards the case. Now hit(or tap) the other end of the cleaning rod stack with a hammer(brass if ya got one) not too hard, check progress, repeat several times until you fix it!! When you get it out post some pics of the case and such would ya?

Keep at it.

I had an olympic arms barrel once that caused cases to get stuck like this. When I got it out the case had what looked like rifling marks on the neck and a tad behind the shoulder. The guy I bought it from swapped the barrel for me.

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Glad it was an easy fix. Probably a low powder charge or an out of spec case. The pressure was enough to expel the bullet but not fully cycle the bolt; it's just hard to know whether or not it was the case getting stuck in the chamber that took energy away from the bolt cycling rearward or whether there just wasn't enough gas pressure to begin with. I've had this happen a couple times with cheap steel-cased .223 ammo - same exact situation as yours (no squib, but a spent case that wouldn't extract). At least it was an easy fix both times.


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It’s gonna take to a couple seconds to fix.. Get your regular metal cleaning rods and a brass attachment inserted in the muzzle towards the case. Now hit(or tap) the other end of the cleaning rod stack with a hammer(brass if ya got one) not too hard, check progress, repeat several times until you fix it!! When you get it out post some pics of the case and such would ya?

Keep at it.

I had an olympic arms barrel once that caused cases to get stuck like this. When I got it out the case had what looked like rifling marks on the neck and a tad behind the shoulder. The guy I bought it from swapped the barrel for me.


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Haha lol, look above your post.

If you look closely, I noticed some burnishing on the brass most of the way (about 3/4) around the shoulder and towards the end of the neck in a small spot on one side on this case


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^This. If the hammer reset, the first (and only) round fired passed the gas port and most likely exited the barrel. The bolt just didn't cycle far enough back to grab the next round. So you probably just have a stuck empty case. Brass rod slammed on the ground should do it.

G4L really got me to thinking and I became more convinced than ever that this had to be a stuck case. A case of a stuck case, if you will. I finally located an extension piece for my rod and was able to probe the barrel and determine that there was not a squib present. So I rammed the rod against the case a few times and vwalla!

:woohoo: VICTORY!!! :woohoo: The case popped out! So now I'm left wondering, what caused this to happen? Here are some views of the case in question. Any ideas what would cause a casing to stick like this?



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Lube, extractor, light load, contaminated ammo(stored near chemicals or not kept dry enough) my guess based on what always caused it when I was in the army-dirty rifle


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Well Ron. The ammo is garbage and the rifle is ruined. I'll schedule some time to pick it all up when I go to the recycler. :wink05:

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Lube, extractor, light load, contaminated ammo(stored near chemicals or not kept dry enough) my guess based on what always caused it when I was in the army-dirty rifle


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F*&%#!!! You know this is the one time, and I mean the only time I did not clean my AR10 after the last time I used it probably two months ago. Juk and Sinus were with me. I got lazy and threw it in the safe when I got home intending to clean it the next day. I never got to it. Then this happened. Maybe it was indeed a dirty rifle. As an 11B, I know better too.


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you said all he heard was click. the bolt than cycled previous and didn't go off

did you re rack it and pull the trigger? from how you described it you need to restrike it for the round to go off.

surplus ammo has hard primers.

^This. If the hammer reset, the first (and only) round fired passed the gas port and most likely exited the barrel. The bolt just didn't cycle far enough back to grab the next round. So you probably just have a stuck empty case. Brass rod slammed on the ground should do it.



before you do anything, stick a rod down the barrel and measure how far it goes, that will tell you if you have something stuck in the bore or not

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I'm still hungry for breakfast sleeping beauty. You should come and pick up your old bag. I'm done with her!


You never responded when I asked "when?". (You did give me a "where" but ...)

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I know everyone hates it but Ops was right again.

what bolt are you using? the surplus ammo is hot. make sure you have the correct buffer and spring. also look to see if you get bolt bite on your receiver.

adjustable gas block or regular?

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Ops wrote:
I know everyone hates it but Ops was right again.

what bolt are you using? the surplus ammo is hot. make sure you have the correct buffer and spring. also look to see if you get bolt bite on your receiver.

adjustable gas block or regular?



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you said all he heard was click. the bolt than cycled previous and didn't go off

did you re rack it and pull the trigger? from how you described it you need to restrike it for the round to go off.

surplus ammo has hard primers.



Sounds like you were wrong. He said he discovered it to be a stuck case, not a failure to set off the primer.

People probably dont hate you being right as much as they do you lording it over them when you are.

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Without penetration data, the pics aren't of much use.

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Had a .500 S&W Mag squib once.
Another round behind that would have been eventful.
Probably would have blown the whole barrel off.

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Had a .500 S&W Mag squib once.
Another round behind that would have been eventful.
Probably would have blown the whole barrel off.



As well as your fingers,hand,arm,elbow, etc,etc...


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Ron and I discussed this over breakfast at Stricker's this morning (mmm French toast, sausage and eggs!)

So, while this was only a stuck case, what is the proper direction to push when extracting a squibb?

Continue to push the bullet along the barrel through the muzzle ? Or reverse course and come back through the chamber? or "it depends"...?

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