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Author:	RocketScott [ Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:18 pm ]
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Nitro_Guns wrote: The IO caption, I would assume, is for people that ONLY have an initial as a middle name... That's the kicker for me The definition of "Initial" (in this instance) is that it is the the first letter of a name. It is shorthand for a longer name. If someone's middle name was actually S then it wouldn't be an initial, they'd put 'S' for middle name and leave off the IO My drivers license has my middle initial only, "S". My middle name is Scott. I've always put "Scott" as my middle name on the 4473. My ID backs this up because the first letter in my middle name is S. Yes, it's a match. The 4473 info goes beyond what my ID indicates but it's a match I think the hangup is on "exact". Is it the same font? No. Is it the same size? No Is S the initial for Scott? Yes

Author:	RocketScott [ Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:24 pm ]
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Selador wrote: Thats the way I understood it. Unless the form itself demands that you fill in the full name. No middle initial allowed... Even then, my "full name" as it appears on my DL only has my middle initial. In fact, that is the way I have always filled it out. And I have never gotten even a delay. Your full name is your full name The DOL does not determine your full name

Author:	Nitro_Guns [ Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:41 pm ]
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RocketScott wrote: Selador wrote: Thats the way I understood it. Unless the form itself demands that you fill in the full name. No middle initial allowed... Even then, my "full name" as it appears on my DL only has my middle initial. In fact, that is the way I have always filled it out. And I have never gotten even a delay. Your full name is your full name The DOL does not determine your full name The information must match on the 4473 and your ID..... Stop making it more complicated than it is...

Author:	RocketScott [ Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:26 pm ]
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Nitro_Guns wrote: RocketScott wrote: Selador wrote: Thats the way I understood it. Unless the form itself demands that you fill in the full name. No middle initial allowed... Even then, my "full name" as it appears on my DL only has my middle initial. In fact, that is the way I have always filled it out. And I have never gotten even a delay. Your full name is your full name The DOL does not determine your full name The information must match on the 4473 and your ID..... Stop making it more complicated than it is... As I explained: An initial is a match for a longer name that starts with the same letter You need to rethink how you're making this more complicated than it needs to be I pretty much explained how initials work

Author:	Nitro_Guns [ Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:28 pm ]
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RocketScott wrote: Nitro_Guns wrote: RocketScott wrote: Selador wrote: Thats the way I understood it. Unless the form itself demands that you fill in the full name. No middle initial allowed... Even then, my "full name" as it appears on my DL only has my middle initial. In fact, that is the way I have always filled it out. And I have never gotten even a delay. Your full name is your full name The DOL does not determine your full name The information must match on the 4473 and your ID..... Stop making it more complicated than it is... As I explained: An initial is a match for a longer name that starts with the same letter You need to rethink how you're making this more complicated than it needs to be I pretty much explained how initials work And you did a fine job.... Maybe you should call NICS and straighten them out.....

Author:	RocketScott [ Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:33 pm ]
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Nitro_Guns wrote: RocketScott wrote: Nitro_Guns wrote: RocketScott wrote: Selador wrote: Thats the way I understood it. Unless the form itself demands that you fill in the full name. No middle initial allowed... Even then, my "full name" as it appears on my DL only has my middle initial. In fact, that is the way I have always filled it out. And I have never gotten even a delay. Your full name is your full name The DOL does not determine your full name The information must match on the 4473 and your ID..... Stop making it more complicated than it is... As I explained: An initial is a match for a longer name that starts with the same letter You need to rethink how you're making this more complicated than it needs to be I pretty much explained how initials work And you did a fine job.... Maybe you should call NICS and straighten them out..... Why would I need to straighten them out? You're the one that doesn't understand what an initial is

Author:	Nitro_Guns [ Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:38 pm ]
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RocketScott wrote: Nitro_Guns wrote: RocketScott wrote: Nitro_Guns wrote: RocketScott wrote: Selador wrote: Thats the way I understood it. Unless the form itself demands that you fill in the full name. No middle initial allowed... Even then, my "full name" as it appears on my DL only has my middle initial. In fact, that is the way I have always filled it out. And I have never gotten even a delay. Your full name is your full name The DOL does not determine your full name The information must match on the 4473 and your ID..... Stop making it more complicated than it is... As I explained: An initial is a match for a longer name that starts with the same letter You need to rethink how you're making this more complicated than it needs to be I pretty much explained how initials work And you did a fine job.... Maybe you should call NICS and straighten them out..... Why would I need to straighten them out? You're the one that doesn't understand what an initial is What part of EXACTLY MATCH do you not understand..... Let me post it again... The key is that it stipulates the following... "Do the name, date of birth, and place of residence in Section A on the ATF Form 4473 exactly match the valid government-issued photo identification" John A. Doe John Allen Doe John Adam Doe Are these EXACT MATCHES...?

Author:	RocketScott [ Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:42 pm ]
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John A. Doe matches either of the other two John Allen Doe does not match John Adam Doe Pretty sure there was a Sesame Street episode about matching if you want me to look it up for you

Author:	RocketScott [ Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:44 pm ]
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Did they by chance send out a memo about these new regulations that you could share with us?

Author:	foothills [ Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:46 pm ]
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RocketScott wrote: Did they by chance send out a memo about these new regulations that you could share with us? No they didn't...came as a total surprise from one day to the next when calling for a BGC. ETA...I actually said "huh"??? to the examiner on the first check...

Author:	Selador [ Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:48 pm ]
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RocketScott wrote: John A. Doe matches either of the other two John Allen Doe does not match John Adam Doe Pretty sure there was a Sesame Street episode about matching if you want me to look it up for you Ooh ooh! ME! Can you look it up for me?!??

Author:	Nitro_Guns [ Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:51 pm ]
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RocketScott wrote: John A. Doe matches either of the other two John Allen Doe does not match John Adam Doe Pretty sure there was a Sesame Street episode about matching if you want me to look it up for you BTW.... Maybe you should brush up on what the word EXACTLY means... exactly [ig-zakt-lee] adverb in an exact manner; precisely; accurately. One last try.... If on a 4473 if the customer puts down John A. Doe and his Driver's License says....John Adam Doe... Do those EXACTLY match? Come on now...even Oscar can figure this out....

Author:	foothills [ Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:52 pm ]
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Selador wrote: RocketScott wrote: John A. Doe matches either of the other two John Allen Doe does not match John Adam Doe Pretty sure there was a Sesame Street episode about matching if you want me to look it up for you Ooh ooh! ME! Can you look it up for me?!?? Jeff, I picture you more as a "Schoolhouse Rock" kinda guy than Sesame Street.

Author:	foothills [ Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:55 pm ]
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Nitro_Guns wrote: RocketScott wrote: John A. Doe matches either of the other two John Allen Doe does not match John Adam Doe Pretty sure there was a Sesame Street episode about matching if you want me to look it up for you BTW.... Maybe you should brush up on what the word EXACTLY means... exactly [ig-zakt-lee] adverb in an exact manner; precisely; accurately. One last try.... If on a 4473 if the customer puts down John A. Doe and his Driver's License says....John Adam Doe... Do those EXACTLY match? Come on now...even Oscar can figure this out.... Crayon...Randy crayon. Boy this is 2 threads of yours today I get to be entertained by...

Author:	Nitro_Guns [ Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:56 pm ]
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foothills wrote: Nitro_Guns wrote: RocketScott wrote: John A. Doe matches either of the other two John Allen Doe does not match John Adam Doe Pretty sure there was a Sesame Street episode about matching if you want me to look it up for you BTW.... Maybe you should brush up on what the word EXACTLY means... exactly [ig-zakt-lee] adverb in an exact manner; precisely; accurately. One last try.... If on a 4473 if the customer puts down John A. Doe and his Driver's License says....John Adam Doe... Do those EXACTLY match? Come on now...even Oscar can figure this out.... Crayon...Randy crayon. Boy this is 2 threads of yours today I get to be entertained by...

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