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 BATFE to Discontinue Accessory Classifications 
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which means that if you submit an accessory like a pistol brace, they aren't going to make a determination on the brace alone; it has to be submitted with the particular firearm for which it was designed.

Here's a better and more complete assessment:

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/201 ... Newsletter

Don't know if they're aiming toward some retroactive action on determinations they've already made... we'll see.

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So basically they don't want us mixing and matching. They want the accessory to remain with the initial rifle, not something you removed from one rifle to attach to another?

I can see why they are doing this, but good luck trying to regulate it.


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It's going to make new/improved accessories, like an arm brace, more difficult to get "the letter". I can't say I blame them for wanting to shy away from that with what is probably a massive influx of letter requests for imaginary or possible configurations.


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Massivedesign wrote:
It's going to make new/improved accessories, like an arm brace, more difficult to get "the letter". I can't say I blame them for wanting to shy away from that with what is probably a massive influx of letter requests for imaginary or possible configurations.


Agreed.

Maybe a better approach would be to eliminate so many of the bullshit rules and laws that drive us to ask for such classifications. Maybe we can finally agree that nobody really gives a shit whether that's a "vertical" fore grip or an "angled" fore grip on your pistol? Or whether you're pushing a "stock" or a "brace" up against your shoulder . . . inadvertently?

We're spending so much of our collective time -- both gun owners' and the ATF's -- on such trivial, meaningless shit.

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MadPick wrote:
Massivedesign wrote:
It's going to make new/improved accessories, like an arm brace, more difficult to get "the letter". I can't say I blame them for wanting to shy away from that with what is probably a massive influx of letter requests for imaginary or possible configurations.


Agreed.

Maybe a better approach would be to eliminate so many of the bullshit rules and laws that drive us to ask for such classifications. Maybe we can finally agree that nobody really gives a shit whether that's a "vertical" fore grip or an "angled" fore grip on your pistol? Or whether you're pushing a "stock" or a "brace" up against your shoulder . . . inadvertently?

We're spending so much of our collective time -- both gun owners' and the ATF's -- on such trivial, meaningless shit.

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So does that mean they can't classify a bump fire stock as anything, because it's an accessory?
Unless some asshole sends one in on a rifle?


Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:58 am
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Rix86 wrote:
So does that mean they can't classify a bump fire stock as anything, because it's an accessory?
Unless some asshole sends one in on a rifle?


Dunno about that, but the D's are head hunting the Attny that signed that shit and if they do oust him there is speculation that it might void that order.

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/12/as-med ... z5ZO3zBizT

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Good update from TFB regarding this situation:
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/201 ... Newsletter
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As a follow-up to yesterday’s announcement by the ATF regarding the discontinuation of accessory classifications without a host firearm, sources that work closely with the law enforcement and regulatory agency have come forward with additional information. Apparently the Firearms Technology Industry Services Branch (FTISB), has been swamped with submissions from manufacturers without a host weapon as context for how the device will be utilized. The new procedure may help to cull the volume of “junk” accessories that are submitted for review – fleshlights attached to AR15 stocks, for example. (Yes, I said fleshlight, not flashlight. Don’t Google that from work). And yes, apparently that actually happened.....


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Hump stock?

Need one.

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So, here's my fundamental problem with this.

The government has created arbitrary, confusing rules. And they know it. These rules carry massive penalties. And they know it.

They are so sick of people (you know, us citizens who pay taxes and expect fairness and freedom) trying to understand the laws so we can comply, or find work arounds in some cases, that they are now refusing to even help us understand these arbitrary and confusing rules that carry serious penalties.

It's like when people asked the WA State AG to help understand I594 and they refused.

Who is the servant of who anymore????

Probably close to 100% of the gun rules and regs could be and should be totally just scrapped as wasteful, needless, pointless, arbitrary, capricious, etc. I can think of very few that are logical, based in reason and common sense, or make people legitimately safer.

Does an extra non-US part make a gun less safe or more deadly? Does a forward grip on a pistol make it somehow more dangerous? And so forth. It's the dirty secret everyone knows yet nobody can seem to fix.

The REAL harm is that damage it does to the credibility of government, because the government has long ago ceased providing a service to the people, but instead is now grown into a tax gobbling power mad control hungry monster that serves itself and only grows bigger and less fair. I submit that's more harmful than a "too short" rifle or "too long" pistol... both in the same caliber and do the exact same thing...

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Sounds like illegal underground regulation. Same as bumpstock fiasco. This kind of over reach is everywhere and needs a smack down of epic proportions.

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jukk0u wrote:
Rix86 wrote:
So does that mean they can't classify a bump fire stock as anything, because it's an accessory?
Unless some asshole sends one in on a rifle?


Dunno about that, but the D's are head hunting the Attny that signed that shit and if they do oust him there is speculation that it might void that order.

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/12/as-med ... z5ZO3zBizT

It aint the Ds doing the looking... They are not the ones directing that.

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