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SBR process.
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SBR process.
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 Site Admin   Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52038 Real Name: Steve 
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surevaliance wrote: DGM33 wrote: surevaliance wrote: Interesting topic. I was thinking about converting Glock 17 into SBR. Could be a good urban SHTF PDW, IMO. I have a Glock 23 SBR. Makes for a fun range toy with all the different stock options I can put on it. I also have a 9mm conversion barrel so it has lots of possibilities. Nice. I wish it was legal to conceal such thing for EDC. Who says it’s not? Are you referring to carrying in a vehicle? _________________ Steve Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation Patriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of America Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition Member, NAGR/NFGR Please support the organizations that support all of us. Leave it cleaner than you found it. |
| Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:30 am |
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Site Supporter   Location: AZ Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2018 Posts: 6793
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MadPick wrote: surevaliance wrote: DGM33 wrote: surevaliance wrote: Interesting topic. I was thinking about converting Glock 17 into SBR. Could be a good urban SHTF PDW, IMO. I have a Glock 23 SBR. Makes for a fun range toy with all the different stock options I can put on it. I also have a 9mm conversion barrel so it has lots of possibilities. Nice. I wish it was legal to conceal such thing for EDC. Who says it’s not? Are you referring to carrying in a vehicle? That as well, but mainly in my Vertx EDC Transit Sling 2.0 that I carry my G26 with 31-rd mag in now. I was thinking about this setup. Oh, well... https://youtu.be/dS6epfGuMLk?t=172 _________________ FPC member GOA member Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges. |
| Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:54 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: East Renton Plateau Joined: Tue Jul 5, 2011 Posts: 914
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surevaliance wrote: Being focused on the process of obtaining a Glock 17/FAB Cobra SBR, I completely missed another aspect: inability to legally conceal loaded rifle in WA, which makes jumping through the hoops totally pointless for me. Disclaimer: this is merely a layman's understanding of the current interpretation of the regulations. For informational purposes only, use at your own risk, your mileage may vary, did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk |
| Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:16 am |
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Site Supporter Location: AZ Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2018 Posts: 6793
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1811GNR wrote: surevaliance wrote: Being focused on the process of obtaining a Glock 17/FAB Cobra SBR, I completely missed another aspect: inability to legally conceal loaded rifle in WA, which makes jumping through the hoops totally pointless for me. Disclaimer: this is merely a layman's understanding of the current interpretation of the regulations. For informational purposes only, use at your own risk, your mileage may vary, did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk I truly believe that once a pistol has become a rifle, it is still a rifle forever. _________________ FPC member GOA member Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges. |
| Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:42 am |
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Site Admin Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52038 Real Name: Steve
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Where does it say that you can't conceal a rifle?
Also . . . make sure that you keep state and federal laws (including definitions) separate. _________________ Steve Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation Patriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of America Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition Member, NAGR/NFGR Please support the organizations that support all of us. Leave it cleaner than you found it. |
| Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:47 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: WA/MT Joined: Thu Sep 6, 2012 Posts: 8285
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Anyone willing to meet over a beer or a burger and lead me by the hand on how to do a Form 1?
I have a trust but can file individual. |
| Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:49 am |
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 Location: WA State Joined: Fri Feb 8, 2013 Posts: 658
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I highly recommend utilizing the SilencerShop kiosks located in many gun stores in the area.
It simplifies the process greatly--kind of a one-stop-shop where they help you through the tedious parts. As a matter of act, you can do it on line with them as well! Time from start to finish for mine--about six weeks.  Say hello to my little friend...the Noisy Little Beast. It's the one on the bottom. You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. _________________ I hunt the things that go bump in the night.... |
| Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:01 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: S. Everett Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 3042
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Powderman wrote: I highly recommend utilizing the SilencerShop kiosks located in many gun stores in the area. It simplifies the process greatly--kind of a one-stop-shop where they help you through the tedious parts. As a matter of act, you can do it on line with them as well! Time from start to finish for mine--about six weeks. Say hello to my little friend...the Noisy Little Beast. It's the one on the bottom. You can do form 1’s through SilencerShop kiosk now?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
| Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:18 am |
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Site Supporter Location: East Renton Plateau Joined: Tue Jul 5, 2011 Posts: 914
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surevaliance wrote: 1811GNR wrote: surevaliance wrote: Being focused on the process of obtaining a Glock 17/FAB Cobra SBR, I completely missed another aspect: inability to legally conceal loaded rifle in WA, which makes jumping through the hoops totally pointless for me. Disclaimer: this is merely a layman's understanding of the current interpretation of the regulations. For informational purposes only, use at your own risk, your mileage may vary, did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk I truly believe that once a pistol has become a rifle, it is still a rifle forever. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/can-i-lawfully-make-pistol-rifle-without-registering-firearm Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk |
| Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:35 am |
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Site Supporter Location: East Renton Plateau Joined: Tue Jul 5, 2011 Posts: 914
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My take on the current interpretation of the brace regs:
Form 1 to make an SBR. Install brace. Carry as a braced pistol. Shoulder it and it is a legal SBR until removed from shoulder. Disclaimer: See above Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk |
| Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:39 am |
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Site Supporter Location: AZ Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2018 Posts: 6793
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1811GNR wrote: My take on the current interpretation of the brace regs: Form 1 to make an SBR. Install brace. Carry as a braced pistol. Shoulder it and it is a legal SBR until removed from shoulder. Maybe. But I wanted to carry a Glock 17 with FAB Cobra stock, not with a brace - concealed. RCW clearly states that loaded rifle/shotgun in a vehicle is prohibited. I found nothing that says about concealed rifle/SBR on a person. However, it is Concealed Pistol License in WA, not Concealed Weapon License. _________________ FPC member GOA member Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges. |
| Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:46 am |
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Site Admin Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52038 Real Name: Steve
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surevaliance wrote: But I wanted to carry a Glock 17 with FAB Cobra stock, not with a brace - concealed. RCW clearly states that loaded rifle/shotgun in a vehicle is prohibited. I found nothing that says about concealed rifle/SBR on a person. However, it is Concealed Pistol License in WA, not Concealed Weapon License. If the RCW doesn't say that you CAN'T do it, then you CAN. It says that you can't carry a concealed pistol without a CPL. It doesn't say that you can't carry a concealed rifle. Therefore, it's legal to carry a concealed rifle. You cannot, however, have one in a vehicle. _________________ Steve Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation Patriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of America Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition Member, NAGR/NFGR Please support the organizations that support all of us. Leave it cleaner than you found it. |
| Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:49 am |
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Site Supporter Location: AZ Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2018 Posts: 6793
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MadPick wrote: surevaliance wrote: But I wanted to carry a Glock 17 with FAB Cobra stock, not with a brace - concealed. RCW clearly states that loaded rifle/shotgun in a vehicle is prohibited. I found nothing that says about concealed rifle/SBR on a person. However, it is Concealed Pistol License in WA, not Concealed Weapon License. If the RCW doesn't say that you CAN'T do it, then you CAN. It says that you can't carry a concealed pistol without a CPL. It doesn't say that you can't carry a concealed rifle. Therefore, it's legal to carry a concealed rifle. You cannot, however, have one in a vehicle. Sounds inspiring... _________________ FPC member GOA member Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges. |
| Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:53 am |
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Site Supporter Location: East Renton Plateau Joined: Tue Jul 5, 2011 Posts: 914
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1811GNR wrote: surevaliance wrote: 1811GNR wrote: surevaliance wrote: Being focused on the process of obtaining a Glock 17/FAB Cobra SBR, I completely missed another aspect: inability to legally conceal loaded rifle in WA, which makes jumping through the hoops totally pointless for me. Disclaimer: this is merely a layman's understanding of the current interpretation of the regulations. For informational purposes only, use at your own risk, your mileage may vary, did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk I truly believe that once a pistol has become a rifle, it is still a rifle forever. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/can-i-lawfully-make-pistol-rifle-without-registering-firearm Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk If you carry it with the stock detached, it is a pistol. Since that stock "attaches instantly" you could instantly attach the stock when needed and it will be a legal SBR (if you have registered it as such). Not the exact situation you were hoping for but as close as you can get. Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk |
| Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:03 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: AZ Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2018 Posts: 6793
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1811GNR wrote: 1811GNR wrote: surevaliance wrote: 1811GNR wrote: surevaliance wrote: Being focused on the process of obtaining a Glock 17/FAB Cobra SBR, I completely missed another aspect: inability to legally conceal loaded rifle in WA, which makes jumping through the hoops totally pointless for me. Disclaimer: this is merely a layman's understanding of the current interpretation of the regulations. For informational purposes only, use at your own risk, your mileage may vary, did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk I truly believe that once a pistol has become a rifle, it is still a rifle forever. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/can-i-lawfully-make-pistol-rifle-without-registering-firearm Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk If you carry it with the stock detached, it is a pistol. Since that stock "attaches instantly" you could instantly attach the stock when needed and it will be a legal SBR (if you have registered it as such). Not the exact situation you were hoping for but as close as you can get. Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk I meant Short Barrel rifle, registered by ATF. My bad. _________________ FPC member GOA member Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges. |
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