http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police ... id=UP97DHP


The article lays out when a customer who was a legally armed citizen used their sidearm.

The part that gets me is... calling into question the use of self defense.







http://bearingarms.com/a-brief-history- ... lfdefense/





So, if you got this far in the reading... I call for every firearm owner (present and future)... to go get their Washington State CPL (Concealed Pistol License).
It doesn't mean you have to carry. That is a personal choice. One that comes with thought, understanding and some training.

The CPL gives you a CHOICE. Not some lawmaker or anyone else. It also serves to increase our numbers and show those same lawmakers (fighting to take away our "choice") that we are many and many more...

Getting a concealed pistol license in Washington State (resident and non resident)
http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearms ... alreq.html


This is not asking for you to use your firearm but to make it known that you stand behind your 2A (2nd Amendment rights)
Pay the fee and increase our numbers!

If anyone here doesn't have a license, you're really doing yourself and everyone else a disservice.

Most of the states are doing US a disservice by requiring a "licence". There is a document that was ratified Dec. 15th 1791 that should have us US citizens covered to carry what we want, when we want.

Gugliemi's quote is likely motivated by a bias against concealed carry... And this particular shoot sounds pretty clean-cut self-defense from a clear deadly force threat. That being said, all concealed carriers should be wary of intervening in a public situation involving others... When intervening in a situation involving third-parties, you are basically taking on the legal standing of whomever you intervene for... If it turns out that person, lacks a credible claim of self-defense or especially if that party turns out to be the initial aggressor or instigator of the incident and you intervene with deadly force on their behalf, you are setting yourself up for deep legal trouble, both criminal and civil...

All I am saying is you need to be crystal clear on your reason for intervening in a third party situation...

I also agree with the poster who indicates the whole scheme of licensing is bullshit to begin with... There should be no licensing required for concealed carry as it is our inalienable right to defend our own lives, at any place and any time.

Its all good to argue against needing a license.

But I live in the REAL world... Right now. Lets not add more BS to need hip waiters to talk about a simple topic.

If you don't have a CPL. Please do consider getting one.




The rest... is all talk until the current law is changed (hopefully not for the worse).

Excellent thread.....

This seems like a good opening as to what is justified grounds in Washington State.

When to pull, or not? Is the question that I constantly ask myself.

But yah, everyone ought to have a CPL, in order to have a choice, notwithstanding the argument that we shouldn't need a permit.

As a side note, you don't need a permit at your home or your business to carry concealed, to the best of my knowledge.

Yes, I live in the real world. I am allowed to dream, right?
Yes, I have one. I just disagree about the requirement to have one. Constitutional carry. Just like people wine about seatbelts. If you don't want to use it, fine. I learned the hard way, and will use mine. Trust me bouncing your face on the steering wheel hard enough to bend it is not fun. My mother was almost killed going through the wind shield (prior to seat belt existence). YMMV

But dreaming is not the real world...

I dream too but I do understand the definitive lines between reality and a dream.

The reality is...

I'm not saying not to dream... but let's stick to facts and what the real world requires of us to stay "legal" right now... not the future and we must learn from the past.
Again, I'm not arguing that it "shouldn't be needed..."

I'm trying to get folks to consider getting one. Regardless if they choose to use it or not... we need numbers to support and show the need for our 2A (fundamental rights to legally carry).




Also from the article... how can one even argue the need to protect one's own life, family and others - self defense is fundamental (cave man)...


Now if we let things happen... these "idiots" that are against legal carry... just wants us to lay down and be victims.

Be interesting to know how many people here don't have a CPL already, I would imagine it is a small number.

Maybe I did not word it right. I was agreeing with you. It sucks, but GET YOUR CPL!