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July 01, 2019.... Is it the end of the world?
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AK_Goes_Bang_Bang
Location: Centralia Joined: Tue Jun 4, 2019 Posts: 33
Real Name: Derek
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I plan to continue buying firearms. Will just take a bit longer now I suppose.
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:14 am |
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PinSniper
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Location: Seattle Joined: Wed Dec 21, 2016 Posts: 765
Real Name: Erik
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Gun dealers need to help us too. If there are legal ways to avoid the extra BS, then they should do it.
If it means things like making AR15s technically bolt actions, selling lowers and uppers separately etc. They should do everything they can to ensure the process is as stream lined as possible.
Sporting Systems in Vancouver, WA afaik will be offering online and free i1639 compliant training as an awesome example.
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:19 am |
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Old Growth
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Location: Nisqually Valley Joined: Wed Oct 5, 2016 Posts: 4836
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Take your 12 year old to the res and see if they will sell him cigs.
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:00 am |
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quantsuff
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Location: central wa Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 Posts: 3555
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PinSniper wrote: Sporting Systems in Vancouver, WA afaik will be offering online and free i1639 compliant training as an awesome example. How do they plan to handle the requirement that the certificate must be signed by the trainer under penalty of perjury?
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:29 pm |
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Pvanderzee
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Location: Bow Joined: Tue Apr 2, 2013 Posts: 2688
Real Name: Phill
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Old Growth wrote: Take your 12 year old to the res and see if they will sell him cigs. Federal law permits tobacco sales only to persons 18 and older, so the res has to comply. Federal law doesn't permit semi-automatic rifle sales only to persons 21 and older, only the state will, so it's actually a good question on whether or not a gun shop on a reservation would need to comply with a state law.
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:14 pm |
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Pvanderzee
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Location: Bow Joined: Tue Apr 2, 2013 Posts: 2688
Real Name: Phill
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I will continue to buy guns and gun stuff largely undeterred by the bullshit. I've got plenty of semi-autos, and a fair number of AR lowers already. Might pick up another .308 lower just in case, but that's going to get expensive again...All my currently planned purchases are handguns for the time being anyway. Not enough room in the safe for all my long guns as it is, so I've started stashing them around the house. As others have said, if we stop buying, the only winners are the other side. The more guns we can get into the hands of good, honest citizens, the better off we will be, and the more we can stick a finger up to those trying to deter ownership.
_________________Sinus211 wrote: Z66 and I still fuck on the regular. zombie66 wrote: Mikey is a Bossy Bottom.....
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:25 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18473
Real Name: Johnny 5
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From what I've been seeing, it's effectively gonna turn a purchase into a 30 day waiting period.. EDIT : Also from what I've been hearing, some agencies are saying there is no way to meet the 30 day deadline .. and your NICS check is only good for 30 days... so they get a go ahead to sell, 35 days later, but since the NICS check is expired, they're back to square one and have to rerun ALL the checks..as if it were a new purchase...
Not to mention the HIPAA violations, and the fact that you can't force someone to sign away a right to exercise another right (lifetime 'consent to search' medical records)
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:32 pm |
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Pvanderzee
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Location: Bow Joined: Tue Apr 2, 2013 Posts: 2688
Real Name: Phill
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TechnoWeenie wrote: From what I've been seeing, it's effectively gonna turn a purchase into a 30 day waiting period..
Not to mention the HIPAA violations, and the fact that you can't force someone to sign away a right to exercise another right (lifetime 'consent to search' medical records) That was one of my first thoughts reading the bill last year, and I'm really surprised the GOA didn't include that in their lawsuit, unless they did and it never made the headlines. Seems a clear violation of HIPAA to me, and the left is so up in arms about healthcare, this oughta be a good club with which to hit them, what with medical privacy and all that. Medical information can only be shared with people who need to know it to perform care or render services, and only at a time when that information is needed. When used in training, personal information must be removed if it is not a matter of public record. At least, that's my functional understanding of HIPAA.
_________________Sinus211 wrote: Z66 and I still fuck on the regular. zombie66 wrote: Mikey is a Bossy Bottom.....
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:52 pm |
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Powderman
Location: WA State Joined: Fri Feb 8, 2013 Posts: 658
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TINCANBANDIT wrote: What if we worked with the Indian Nations to set up gun shops on their land? They would not be in the jurisdiction of the State law and free from any state regulations To put it lightly, not happening. Especially the Tribes operating Gaming facilities under compact with the State of WA.
_________________ I hunt the things that go bump in the night....
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:28 am |
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Powderman
Location: WA State Joined: Fri Feb 8, 2013 Posts: 658
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surevaliance wrote: TINCANBANDIT wrote: What if we worked with the Indian Nations to set up gun shops on their land? They would not be in the jurisdiction of the State law and free from any state regulations As soon as you leave an Indian tribe's jurisdiction, you are a subject to shitty WA laws again. Actually, if you (for example) are within the boundaries of the Puyallup Indian Reservation, we are fully cross-commissioned and certified as general authority Washington State Peace Officers. The RCW and WAC apply.
_________________ I hunt the things that go bump in the night....
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:31 am |
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PinSniper
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Location: Seattle Joined: Wed Dec 21, 2016 Posts: 765
Real Name: Erik
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quantsuff wrote: PinSniper wrote: Sporting Systems in Vancouver, WA afaik will be offering online and free i1639 compliant training as an awesome example. How do they plan to handle the requirement that the certificate must be signed by the trainer under penalty of perjury? Plenty of training is offered online and digital signatures are normal / respected by courts.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:56 am |
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AR15L
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Location: Nampa, Idaho Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 19471
Real Name: Rick
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PinSniper wrote: quantsuff wrote: PinSniper wrote: Sporting Systems in Vancouver, WA afaik will be offering online and free i1639 compliant training as an awesome example. How do they plan to handle the requirement that the certificate must be signed by the trainer under penalty of perjury? Plenty of training is offered online and digital signatures are normal / respected by courts.I keep seeing this written but w/o any evidence to back it up.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:30 am |
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quantsuff
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Location: central wa Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 Posts: 3555
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PinSniper wrote: quantsuff wrote: PinSniper wrote: Sporting Systems in Vancouver, WA afaik will be offering online and free i1639 compliant training as an awesome example. How do they plan to handle the requirement that the certificate must be signed by the trainer under penalty of perjury? Plenty of training is offered online and digital signatures are normal / respected by courts. I believe that this requirement is new, however, so previous examples may not apply in this case. "The proof of training shall be in the form of a certification that states under the penalty of perjury the training included the minimum requirements..."
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:06 am |
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PinSniper
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Location: Seattle Joined: Wed Dec 21, 2016 Posts: 765
Real Name: Erik
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quantsuff wrote: PinSniper wrote: quantsuff wrote: PinSniper wrote: Sporting Systems in Vancouver, WA afaik will be offering online and free i1639 compliant training as an awesome example. How do they plan to handle the requirement that the certificate must be signed by the trainer under penalty of perjury? Plenty of training is offered online and digital signatures are normal / respected by courts. I believe that this requirement is new, however, so previous examples may not apply in this case. "The proof of training shall be in the form of a certification that states under the penalty of perjury the training included the minimum requirements..." I don't see the issue. Sporting Systems are doing a lot right now to support our rights. Come hell or high water, we'll get our guns.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:23 am |
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gooface
Location: Buckley Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2013 Posts: 2
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I plan on getting a pistol after this law goes into effect, I have an Active CPL. Will my experience be any different after July 1st?
I also plan on grabbing some lowers (AR-10 and AR-15) and a M&P 15-22 this month so I dont have to deal with the crap.
Also what stops someone from driving to Idaho to avoid this whole thing with rifles?
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:12 am |
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