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I wonder if that doesn't deserve a separate post that is pinned to the top of the most relevant subforum with the most traffic?


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Today I had to leave Tacoma Sportsmen’s Club members’ range after their staff told me that I cannot shoot my AR pistol with brace from the bench rest, because I “shouldered”...
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Today I had to leave Tacoma Sportsmen’s Club members’ range after their staff told me that I cannot shoot my AR pistol with brace from the bench rest, because I “shouldered”...
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So nice of them to be ATF deputies . . . . :angryfire:

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Well, this is interesting...
Maybe the 90 house members and a nation full of pissed off owners had something to do with it.


Or they're withdrawing and regrouping for when Big Daddy B takes the thrown.


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Well, this is interesting...
regrouping for when Big Daddy B takes the thrown.

This

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IMO, when bullpups came to civilian market, SBR restrictions have lost their purpose completely.

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Well, this is interesting...
regrouping for when Big Daddy B takes the thrown.

This


Agreed.

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Today I had to leave Tacoma Sportsmen’s Club members’ range after their staff told me that I cannot shoot my AR pistol with brace from the bench rest, because I “shouldered”...
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They must have loosened up a bit. Earlier in the year they wouldn't even let me shoot my AR pistol at the members range, told me I had to go the the public range. I asked why, no good reason really. If I remember correctly, it was because it was a "rifle round" (300 BLK) so not allowed on the pistol range. So I said "Then I'll shoot it on the rifle range," and RO said I couldn't. I asked what difference it made then by shooting it on the public rifle range. Didn't really have an answer. He wasn't a jerk or had an attitude about it, and he had no real statement for it on technical aspects, he just had obviously been told 'just because' by the powers that be. So I went to the public range and they forewarned me "No shouldering."

I was there another time when a member was shooting a 'double stamp' suppressed SBR. The RO was giving him the same spiel. The shooter told him it was a properly stamped SBR. The RO (different one from my incident) started to come up with some lame reason why, and I told the RO that technically, it was, in fact, a rifle. The shooter was allowed to stay.

I could forgive the RO on my incident as he really could not tell me why or tried to come up with why, he was just told so. The second incident I am critical of because the guy was trying to come up with incorrect reasons why and argue with the shooter and he was wrong.


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Tonydec wrote:
surevaliance wrote:
Today I had to leave Tacoma Sportsmen’s Club members’ range after their staff told me that I cannot shoot my AR pistol with brace from the bench rest, because I “shouldered”...
:facepalm2:


They must have loosened up a bit. Earlier in the year they wouldn't even let me shoot my AR pistol at the members range, told me I had to go the the public range. I asked why, no good reason really. If I remember correctly, it was because it was a "rifle round" (300 BLK) so not allowed on the pistol range. So I said "Then I'll shoot it on the rifle range," and RO said I couldn't. I asked what difference it made then by shooting it on the public rifle range. Didn't really have an answer. He wasn't a jerk or had an attitude about it, he had obviously been told 'just because' by the powers that be. So I went to the public range and they forewarned me "No shouldering."

I was there another time when a member was shooting a 'double stamp' suppressed SBR. The RO was giving him the same spiel. The shooter told him it was a properly stamped SBR. The RO (different one from my incident) started to come up with some reason why, and I told the RO that technically, it was, in fact, a rifle. The shooter was allowed to stay.


I would expect better from an employed RO, they should know WTF they are talking about before talking.
As it stands now, i thought shouldering a Pistol was ok with the Alphabet boy's....but they flip flop a lot.

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Pvanderzee wrote:
Well, this is interesting...
Maybe the 90 house members and a nation full of pissed off owners had something to do with it.


Or they're withdrawing and regrouping for when Big Daddy B takes the thrown.


The way I read it, they are just closing the request for comment period. Could it be they are just going to do it, screw what we think?


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Yup, it's dead for the moment. After receiving the first 49,000 comments, I suspect the ATF realized that this was proposal was such a steaming pile of shit that, if they were to implement it, they would have looked like even bigger douchebags than they do at the moment.

No doubt they'll be back with something equally unfriendly but perhaps easier to get away with.

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Tonydec wrote:
Pvanderzee wrote:
Well, this is interesting...
Maybe the 90 house members and a nation full of pissed off owners had something to do with it.


Or they're withdrawing and regrouping for when Big Daddy B takes the thrown.


The way I read it, they are just closing the request for comment period. Could it be they are just going to do it, screw what we think?


Here's the actual notice: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/gener ... f/download

It says, in part: "The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (“ATF”) is announcing the withdrawal of a notice and request for comments . . . ."

So they are withdrawing the notice, not just the request for comments. Who knows? I read it as "dead for today," but I may be wrong.

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Tonydec wrote:
Pvanderzee wrote:
Well, this is interesting...
Maybe the 90 house members and a nation full of pissed off owners had something to do with it.


Or they're withdrawing and regrouping for when Big Daddy B takes the thrown.


The way I read it, they are just closing the request for comment period. Could it be they are just going to do it, screw what we think?


Here's the actual notice: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/gener ... f/download

It says, in part: "The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (“ATF”) is announcing the withdrawal of a notice and request for comments . . . ."

So they are withdrawing the notice, not just the request for comments. Who knows? I read it as "dead for today," but I may be wrong.


Correct. The notice, whatever it was, is dead for the moment. It was withdrawn in it's entirety. Granted, the notice itself stated that it had no force or effect of law, so...yeah. Who knows what'll happen next?

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Upon reading the entire notice, it does appear to be dead. But I concur with your fears, especially since they threw this in there (Bolding is mine):

"...ATF is withdrawing, pending further Department of Justice review,..."


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Upon reading the entire notice, it does appear to be dead. But I concur with your fears, especially since they threw this in there (Bolding is mine):

"...ATF is withdrawing, pending further Department of Justice review,..."


Yep. It ain't over. It's never owner. They're just refining their method.

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