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Author:  Stokes [ Wed May 05, 2021 10:33 am ]
Post subject:  All you scofflaw sea lawyers....

I'm in awe how many coherent arguments made by the gun community have skirted the draconian laws that our betters in state and federal regimes have implimented. It's a testament to the people who care outwitting the nanny-state who write shit they don't understand.

So.... maybe someone has thought about this one.....

My concerns here are local and state regulations.

Running off memory, I want to think that a necessary component of the definition of 'firearm' is that it use gunpowder (or maybe 'explosive charge', or something like that).

If you're shooting that Aquila Colibri, without gunpowder, is it still discharging a firearm? It's powered off the rimfire primer only. Does 'explosive charge' of the primer get defined by the state, or by the fed transportation guys, or someone else all together?

Maybe it's just a pipe dream, but if I can shoot that colibri stuff in a no shooting zone, it'd make for some fun.

Author:  scrid2000 [ Wed May 05, 2021 9:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: All you scofflaw sea lawyers....

Stokes wrote:
I'm in awe how many coherent arguments made by the gun community have skirted the draconian laws that our betters in state and federal regimes have implimented. It's a testament to the people who care outwitting the nanny-state who write shit they don't understand.

So.... maybe someone has thought about this one.....

My concerns here are local and state regulations.

Running off memory, I want to think that a necessary component of the definition of 'firearm' is that it use gunpowder (or maybe 'explosive charge', or something like that).

If you're shooting that Aquila Colibri, without gunpowder, is it still discharging a firearm? It's powered off the rimfire primer only. Does 'explosive charge' of the primer get defined by the state, or by the fed transportation guys, or someone else all together?

Maybe it's just a pipe dream, but if I can shoot that colibri stuff in a no shooting zone, it'd make for some fun.


What's a sea lawyer?

The statute says that a firearm is "a weapon or device from which a projectile or projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder."
"Such as" would likely be interpreted to include primer compound.

Author:  Stokes [ Wed May 05, 2021 10:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: All you scofflaw sea lawyers....

Well, in another chapter of the RCW, small arms primers are exempt from the catagory of 'explosives'.

Does that translate to the firearm section of the RCWs? I don't know. The 'For purposes of this chapter' part might be an issue, especially since it's not a term defined in the firearms part.

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=70.74.010 (5)

Quote:
For the purposes of this chapter, small arms ammunition, small arms ammunition primers, smokeless powder not exceeding fifty pounds, and black powder not exceeding five pounds shall not be defined as explosives, unless possessed or used for a purpose inconsistent with small arms use or other lawful purpose.




I don't think firing a Colibri makes a firearm a non-firearm, but I think firing a Colibri wouldn't exactly be 'discharging a firearm' since it didn't use gunpowder or an explosive.

Author:  lucasclay [ Wed May 05, 2021 10:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: All you scofflaw sea lawyers....

It's all nonsense, it's always been nonsense.

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Author:  mcyclonegt [ Thu May 06, 2021 8:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: All you scofflaw sea lawyers....

For starters, modern gunpowder is not an explosive. It does not explode, it deflagrates. Black powder is an explosive. So technically I only own two firearms.

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