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http://www.ibtimes.com/military-personn ... ys-2449736

It's being reported that concealed carry by members of the military will now be allowed on military installations with the approval of O-5 level commanders. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in practice.


Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:07 am
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http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016 ... -base.html

"The Pentagon recently released detailed guidance that allows U.S. military personnel to carry privately owned, concealed firearms on base, a move that the Army's service chief argued against publicly.

"Arming and the Use of Force," a Nov. 18 Defense Department directive approved by Deputy Secretary of Defense Robert Work, lays out the policy and standards that allow DoD personnel to carry firearms and employ deadly force while performing official duties.

But the lengthy document also provides detailed guidance to the services for permitting soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines and Coast Guard personnel to carry privately owned firearms on DoD property, according to the document.

Commanders, O-5 and above, "may grant permission to DoD personnel requesting to carry a privately owned firearm (concealed or open carry) on DoD property for a personal protection purpose not related to performance of an official duty or status," the document states."

It goes on to detail restrictions, requirements, etc. My guess is that it will be pretty difficult to get an O-5 or higher to sign off on that, but I will give it a shot (yes, pun intended) here at MCoE and report back.


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So this means only someone who is "high up" can say whether or not someone can carry?

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Only for 90 days. Step in the right direction, but still pretty restrictive.

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So this means only someone who is "high up" can say whether or not someone can carry?


Depends on where you are. O-5s can either be scarce, or a dime a dozen, depending on which unit you are assigned to.

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One of you is a repost.

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When I was in Michigan, I was stationed at an AToN(Aids To Navigation) unit. The sector, which was were all the paper pushers, incident command, logistics and all that jazz was about 10 miles or so away. Our unit consisted of a chief(OIC), BM1(XPO), two BM3's a seaman and a seaman apprentice, an MK1, myself(MK3, waiting on my MK2 crows) and a fireman, 9 of us in total. We had one of those small construction site style offices and a garage for the 2 small boats, the two Polaris side by sides, the truck and tractor. We were out in the boonies. We brought guns and bows almost every day. Hell the MK1 got his deer that year driving his snow mobile into the shop one morning. We had an archery range out behind the shop. And shot skeet out there too a couple times a month.

Small unit life was where it was at. And cake duty.... well minus the sub freezing temperature in the winter

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When I was in Michigan, I was stationed at an AToN(Aids To Navigation) unit. The sector, which was were all the paper pushers, incident command, logistics and all that jazz was about 10 miles or so away. Our unit consisted of a chief(OIC), BM1(XPO), two BM3's a seaman and a seaman apprentice, an MK1, myself(MK3, waiting on my MK2 crows) and a fireman, 9 of us in total. We had one of those small construction site style offices and a garage for the 2 small boats, the two Polaris side by sides, the truck and tractor. We were out in the boonies. We brought guns and bows almost every day. Hell the MK1 got his deer that year driving his snow mobile into the shop one morning. We had an archery range out behind the shop. And shot skeet out there too a couple times a month.

Small unit life was where it was at. And cake duty.... well minus the sub freezing temperature in the winter


Can you translate all those MKs and BMs for those of us who don't speak aquatics?

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MK is a machinery technician, a wrench turner, an oiler, a grease monkey, mechanic, a propulsion specialist, hydraulic maintenance guru, fresh water maker, shit dumper, fuel pumper, fire fighter, boat crew member boarding team member, gun crew for battle stations, and general assholes, some refer to us as god though :bigsmile:. There's also a shit ton of other crap that we are qualified to do that no one would trust a BM to do. There's three kinds of people it's best not to fuck with on a ship, the cooks, the yeomen(they make sure you get paid), and the guys who can kill your ac in the dead of summer and make it snow in your rack in the middle of January, and kill the hot water when your halfway through a shower


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I'd question the accuracy of that article.

Bases are "owned" by the Commanding General. I'm not sure, having not looked into it (no immediate need, and it's bound to change anyway), but the way it used to be was pretty much up to the CG and I've never heard of the CG authorizing it. Perhaps the CG has been told to authorize it and delegate it to the local 05s but that would be a surprising move. Permission that is never granted, for instance, would be my expectation.

Knowing how risk averse the military is, I would venture it won't happen without a direct order to make it happen.

This issue is actually near and dear to my heart, having served years and been frustrated daily at not being allowed to carry by the military, when the states allowed me to carry. I hope this comes around to the military honoring the permits.

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I'd question the accuracy of that article.

Bases are "owned" by the Commanding General. I'm not sure, having not looked into it (no immediate need, and it's bound to change anyway), but the way it used to be was pretty much up to the CG and I've never heard of the CG authorizing it. Perhaps the CG has been told to authorize it and delegate it to the local 05s but that would be a surprising move. Permission that is never granted, for instance, would be my expectation.

Knowing how risk averse the military is, I would venture it won't happen without a direct order to make it happen.

This issue is actually near and dear to my heart, having served years and been frustrated daily at not being allowed to carry by the military, when the states allowed me to carry. I hope this comes around to the military honoring the permits.

I recall you as being non pro gun up to a certain point in your military career. You discussed in a political thread I think

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Even with Trump this would be a miracle.

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Even with Trump this would be a miracle.

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