Gun store Shooting Locations It is currently Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:23 am


Rules Brads Guns Rainier Arms McCallen Killer Innovations Fessleman Firearms
WGO Chat Room Rehv Arms Vantage Reloading
Gear Fortis WCA 2A Ind. Pintos WAC
Calendar


Forum rules


Nothing contained in this section shall be construed as legal advice. All members and guests are advised to perform due diligence in regards to laws and legal actions.



Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 
 Binary trigger/NFA item 
Author Message
Site Supporter
User avatar
Site Supporter

Location: montesano
Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011
Posts: 358
Real Name: clayton
Ok so I've been reading though the RCWs to try and find the exact RCW that prohibits me from owning a binary trigger in Washington state. Can anyone point me to the exact RCW please.

And two if I SBR a lower receiver and place a binary trigger in it, it's an NFA item and the Fed's do not see a binary trigger as a machine gun. So in theory the state would not be able to regulate the NFA item in this instance.
I'm I on to something or not?


Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:35 pm
Profile
Site Supporter
User avatar
Site Supporter

Location: Auburn, WA
Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011
Posts: 12018
Real Name: Rick
https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.010

_________________
Beyond pissed :angryfire:

I do have good days but Washington State is becoming a shithole faster than I can loose money at a casino.


Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:47 pm
Profile
Site Supporter
User avatar
Site Supporter

Location: Lawton, OK
Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011
Posts: 14398
Real Name: Chuck
The company that sells them won't ship to WA, but will sell it directly to you when they come to the TRIGGRCON.

_________________
"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson
"Evil often triumphs, but never conquers." Joseph Roux


Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:38 pm
Profile
Site Admin
User avatar
Site Admin

Location: Renton, WA
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011
Posts: 37197
Real Name: Steve


The relevant part of that link is this:

Quote:
(18) "Machine gun" means any firearm known as a machine gun, mechanical rifle, submachine gun, or any other mechanism or instrument not requiring that the trigger be pressed for each shot and having a reservoir clip, disc, drum, belt, or other separable mechanical device for storing, carrying, or supplying ammunition which can be loaded into the firearm, mechanism, or instrument, and fired therefrom at the rate of five or more shots per second.


So, they believe that your gun becomes a machine gun (by WA definition) when you install a binary trigger.

Will it fire more than five shots per second? Yeah, probably.

Does it require that the trigger be "pressed" for each shot? Mmmmm . . . well, I guess not. You press (push) the trigger for every other shot.

_________________
Steve

Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association
Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation
Life Member, Gun Owners of America
Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition
Please support the organizations that support all of us.

Leave it cleaner than you found it.


Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:57 pm
Profile
User avatar

Location: Nisqually Valley
Joined: Wed Oct 5, 2016
Posts: 1664
What about a release trigger on a trap gun?


Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:24 pm
Profile
Site Admin
User avatar
Site Admin

Location: Renton, WA
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011
Posts: 37197
Real Name: Steve
Old Growth wrote:
What about a release trigger on a trap gun?


Well, you need to meet that requirement PLUS fire five shots per second.

_________________
Steve

Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association
Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation
Life Member, Gun Owners of America
Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition
Please support the organizations that support all of us.

Leave it cleaner than you found it.


Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:44 pm
Profile
Site Supporter
User avatar
Site Supporter

Location: Snohomish, WA
Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012
Posts: 1022
Real Name: Bo
I believe a binary trigger doesn't come close to 5rds per second. I'll find the reference

_________________
"I don't know what it's called. I just know the sound it makes, when it takes a man's life." ~ Four Leaf Tayback


Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:44 pm
Profile
Site Supporter
User avatar
Site Supporter

Location: S. Everett
Joined: Thu May 2, 2013
Posts: 2325
BlDtyLry wrote:
I believe a binary trigger doesn't come close to 5rds per second. I'll find the reference


Pew pew tactical wrote about the franklin armory binary trigger and he ran 400 rounds/min, which is 6.7 rounds a second.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:07 pm
Profile
User avatar

Location: WA State
Joined: Fri Feb 8, 2013
Posts: 488
If you're thinking about getting one, and bringing it into the State....

Don't.

Yeah, binary triggers are cool, and I wish I could have one. But the State of Washington has designated the binary trigger as a part of a machine gun. Same as a lightning link or a DIAS.

Get caught with it...instant C Felony. You lose the trigger...the gun WITH the trigger...and after the trial, ALL your firearms and ammunition...if not forever for a long, long time.

Is it worth it? No.

If we don't like the law, let us change the law by use of the petition and/or referendum. Until then, it is the law.

(Reference: RCW 9.41.190)

_________________
I hunt the things that go bump in the night....


Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:22 pm
Profile
User avatar

Location: WA State
Joined: Fri Feb 8, 2013
Posts: 488
redneck zx wrote:
Ok so I've been reading though the RCWs to try and find the exact RCW that prohibits me from owning a binary trigger in Washington state. Can anyone point me to the exact RCW please.

And two if I SBR a lower receiver and place a binary trigger in it, it's an NFA item and the Fed's do not see a binary trigger as a machine gun. So in theory the state would not be able to regulate the NFA item in this instance.
I'm I on to something or not?


Unless your machine gun is on a Form 4 prior to 1994, you may NOT own full auto in the State of Washington. See: RCW 9.41.190.

_________________
I hunt the things that go bump in the night....


Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:24 pm
Profile
Online
User avatar

Location: Tacoma
Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2012
Posts: 1249
Which direction is "pressed"?


Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:40 pm
Profile
Site Admin
User avatar
Site Admin

Location: Renton, WA
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011
Posts: 37197
Real Name: Steve
sreyemj wrote:
Which direction is "pressed"?


I don’t see it as a direction question. It’s whether you apply force to the trigger in order to make it move, and the gun to fire. Or, does a spring do the work for you?

Yeah, more silly word games with gun laws, that accomplish nothing useful.

_________________
Steve

Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association
Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation
Life Member, Gun Owners of America
Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition
Please support the organizations that support all of us.

Leave it cleaner than you found it.


Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:35 am
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic   [ 12 posts ] 

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

cron

Rent Me Pintos NRA SAF CCKRBA
Aldersons e-arms.com


Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
Designed by ST Software for PTF.
[ Time : 0.736s | 14 Queries | GZIP : On ]