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redneck zx
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Location: montesano Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 Posts: 369
Real Name: clayton
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Ok so I've been reading though the RCWs to try and find the exact RCW that prohibits me from owning a binary trigger in Washington state. Can anyone point me to the exact RCW please.
And two if I SBR a lower receiver and place a binary trigger in it, it's an NFA item and the Fed's do not see a binary trigger as a machine gun. So in theory the state would not be able to regulate the NFA item in this instance. I'm I on to something or not?
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AR15L
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Location: Nampa, Idaho Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 19483
Real Name: Rick
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Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:47 pm |
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golddigger14s
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Location: Faxon, OK Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 Posts: 17830
Real Name: Chuck
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The company that sells them won't ship to WA, but will sell it directly to you when they come to the TRIGGRCON.
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Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:38 pm |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52112
Real Name: Steve
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The relevant part of that link is this: Quote: (18) "Machine gun" means any firearm known as a machine gun, mechanical rifle, submachine gun, or any other mechanism or instrument not requiring that the trigger be pressed for each shot and having a reservoir clip, disc, drum, belt, or other separable mechanical device for storing, carrying, or supplying ammunition which can be loaded into the firearm, mechanism, or instrument, and fired therefrom at the rate of five or more shots per second. So, they believe that your gun becomes a machine gun (by WA definition) when you install a binary trigger. Will it fire more than five shots per second? Yeah, probably. Does it require that the trigger be "pressed" for each shot? Mmmmm . . . well, I guess not. You press (push) the trigger for every other shot.
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Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:57 pm |
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Old Growth
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Location: Nisqually Valley Joined: Wed Oct 5, 2016 Posts: 4842
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What about a release trigger on a trap gun?
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Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:24 pm |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52112
Real Name: Steve
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Old Growth wrote: What about a release trigger on a trap gun? Well, you need to meet that requirement PLUS fire five shots per second.
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Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:44 pm |
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BlDtyLry
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Location: Snohomish, WA Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 Posts: 1371
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I believe a binary trigger doesn't come close to 5rds per second. I'll find the reference
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Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:44 pm |
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Mr. Q
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Location: S. Everett Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 3042
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BlDtyLry wrote: I believe a binary trigger doesn't come close to 5rds per second. I'll find the reference Pew pew tactical wrote about the franklin armory binary trigger and he ran 400 rounds/min, which is 6.7 rounds a second. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:07 pm |
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Powderman
Location: WA State Joined: Fri Feb 8, 2013 Posts: 658
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If you're thinking about getting one, and bringing it into the State....
Don't.
Yeah, binary triggers are cool, and I wish I could have one. But the State of Washington has designated the binary trigger as a part of a machine gun. Same as a lightning link or a DIAS.
Get caught with it...instant C Felony. You lose the trigger...the gun WITH the trigger...and after the trial, ALL your firearms and ammunition...if not forever for a long, long time.
Is it worth it? No.
If we don't like the law, let us change the law by use of the petition and/or referendum. Until then, it is the law.
(Reference: RCW 9.41.190)
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Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:22 pm |
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Powderman
Location: WA State Joined: Fri Feb 8, 2013 Posts: 658
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redneck zx wrote: Ok so I've been reading though the RCWs to try and find the exact RCW that prohibits me from owning a binary trigger in Washington state. Can anyone point me to the exact RCW please.
And two if I SBR a lower receiver and place a binary trigger in it, it's an NFA item and the Fed's do not see a binary trigger as a machine gun. So in theory the state would not be able to regulate the NFA item in this instance. I'm I on to something or not? Unless your machine gun is on a Form 4 prior to 1994, you may NOT own full auto in the State of Washington. See: RCW 9.41.190.
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Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:24 pm |
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sreyemj
Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2012 Posts: 1367
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Which direction is "pressed"?
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Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:40 pm |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52112
Real Name: Steve
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sreyemj wrote: Which direction is "pressed"? I don’t see it as a direction question. It’s whether you apply force to the trigger in order to make it move, and the gun to fire. Or, does a spring do the work for you? Yeah, more silly word games with gun laws, that accomplish nothing useful.
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Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:35 am |
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leonce3
Location: Vancouver Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2020 Posts: 1
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The other issue I have with this RCW 9.41.190 is, the part where it say we can no longer Possess undetectable firearms!!! Who the hell voted for this?!?
Idaho is looking better and better everyday.
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Massivedesign
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38319
Real Name: Dan
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leonce3 wrote: The other issue I have with this RCW 9.41.190 is, the part where it say we can no longer Possess undetectable firearms!!! Who the hell voted for this?!?
Idaho is looking better and better everyday. It's a federal thing... Just because WA copied the federal language doesn't make it any more or less illegal. Same law applies in Idaho too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undetectable_Firearms_Act
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Pvanderzee
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Location: Bow Joined: Tue Apr 2, 2013 Posts: 2688
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Massivedesign wrote: leonce3 wrote: The other issue I have with this RCW 9.41.190 is, the part where it say we can no longer Possess undetectable firearms!!! Who the hell voted for this?!?
Idaho is looking better and better everyday. It's a federal thing... Just because WA copied the federal language doesn't make it any more or less illegal. Same law applies in Idaho too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undetectable_Firearms_ActIf you're now thinking to yourself, "Wow. So, nothing really changed at all with all that hooplah about passing that law about undetectable and/or untraceable firearms, did it?" Yes. Effectively nothing changed.
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