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My Dillon 600 Super Swage . . . in action
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Site Admin   Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52020 Real Name: Steve 
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Some of you saw my earlier thread on my new Giraud case trimmer. Well, I finally got all (well, most...) of my .223 brass sized, deprimed, and trimmed/chamfered/deburred . . . and DAMN it was a big bag of brass! It weighed 38.5 pounds, which translates to about 2,917 cases.
Oh, and I had already pulled out about twenty Berdan-primed .223 cases . . . yes, I said Berdan-primed. That should be a criminal act, to leave Berdan-primed .223 cases at a public range. :lol: So now, the next step is to swage the primer pockets. Here's my Dillon 600 Super Swage in action: I have it held in a vise with some blue tape to protect it, a string running under the bottom to lift the case after it's been swaged, and a rubber band to pull the case down. (The string/rubber band thing was shamelessly stolen from YouTube, it's not my invention.) Does anyone else use the Dillon 600? Does anyone have a different or better way to deal with crimped primer pockets? _________________ Steve Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation Patriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of America Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition Member, NAGR/NFGR Please support the organizations that support all of us. Leave it cleaner than you found it. |
| Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:05 pm |
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Site Moderator   Location: Olympia, Warshington. Joined: Fri May 27, 2011 Posts: 12508 Real Name: Oly Damon
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Cool video. Have no idea yet what your doing....
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| Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:09 pm |
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Site Admin Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52020 Real Name: Steve
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olydemon wrote: Have no idea yet what your doing.... LOL . . . pray you never do.  The primers on some military ammunition are crimped, to better secure the primer and make sure it doesn't come out during use. This works just fine, until Joe Reloader tries to pop a new primer into that primer pocket. So, what I'm doing is swaging the primer pockets back to normal size, effectively nullifying the effect of the crimped pockets. A little rod gets pushed into the primer pocket when I crank the handle, and it forces the primer pocket to open to the correct size. Stick to handgun reloading, and you'll generally never have to worry about it.  _________________ Steve Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation Patriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of America Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition Member, NAGR/NFGR Please support the organizations that support all of us. Leave it cleaner than you found it. |
| Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:17 pm |
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Site Moderator Location: Olympia, Warshington. Joined: Fri May 27, 2011 Posts: 12508 Real Name: Oly Damon
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Ah cool. Great explanation....
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| Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:55 am |
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Site Supporter   Location: University Place/West Tacoma Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2011 Posts: 1401
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Nice!
I am sure you did, but be sure to test a few to see how the primers seat before you do them all. lol _________________ Doug University Place/West Tacoma |
| Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:46 am |
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Site Admin  Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38307 Real Name: Dan
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I too have played with a Dillon 600. In fact, it was YOURS! The thing flat out rocks for mass de-crimping!
Nice garage too. |
| Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:04 am |
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Site Admin Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52020 Real Name: Steve
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dougja wrote: Nice! I am sure you did, but be sure to test a few to see how the primers seat before you do them all. lol Ha ha . . . yes, I did. And in fact, I'm going to test a few more just to be sure, but I think they're good. It's going to take a while to do them all . . . . _________________ Steve Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation Patriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of America Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition Member, NAGR/NFGR Please support the organizations that support all of us. Leave it cleaner than you found it. |
| Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:31 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Marysville, WA Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 Posts: 11581 Real Name: Mike
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The Dillon Super Swage is almost a must for anyone that reloads military cases.
For those that say "It's way too expensive, I just use a Drill Bit or countersink, it does just as good a job for only penny's" I would offer that the swaging tools are the only way to make sure the primer pocket remains concentric. Reaming will follow any off center crimp while swaging presses the metal back where it's supposed to be. I find that I get more uniform swaging if I presort the brass, keeping the headstamps all the same for each batch. Some variations in web thickness will cause the radius to vary. Sorting allows for you to adjust to each brand's characteristics. This tool is also great for putting some more radius on the primer pocket mouth on brass from S&B or Fiocchi which tends to be a little "square". BTW, that berdan primed brass is good for one thing. Put it in the scrap bucket and sell it to the recycler. Helps cut the reloading costs. I never complain if I have brass like that, or for other calibers I don't load for, when I empty my range pickup bag. _________________ "I've learned from the Dog that an afternoon nap is a good thing" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother" - William Shakespeare |
| Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:26 am |
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Site Admin Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52020 Real Name: Steve
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deadshot2 wrote: BTW, that berdan primed brass is good for one thing. Put it in the scrap bucket and sell it to the recycler. Helps cut the reloading costs. I never complain if I have brass like that, or for other calibers I don't load for, when I empty my range pickup bag. Yep . . . it's all in the bucket.  _________________ Steve Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation Patriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of America Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition Member, NAGR/NFGR Please support the organizations that support all of us. Leave it cleaner than you found it. |
| Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:48 am |
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 Location: Olympia Joined: Mon Mar 28, 2011 Posts: 8
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I use RCBS Primer Pocket Swager so far its worked great.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting ... t104516280 |
| Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:31 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Marysville, WA Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 Posts: 11581 Real Name: Mike
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KR190 wrote: I use RCBS Primer Pocket Swager so far its worked great. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting ... t104516280 I still have one of these too. I bought it because I was too cheap to buy the Dillon. Then I got tired of getting a sore hand from slapping the press handle to get the case unstuck from the swaging tool. Also found that it didn't put enough radius on the primer pocket mouth when processing harder brass like LC. I finally stepped up to the Dillon which is so "effortless" I can swage brass while watching TV from my recliner. I have it screwed down to a piece of particle board about the size of a TV tray. _________________ "I've learned from the Dog that an afternoon nap is a good thing" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother" - William Shakespeare |
| Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:52 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Spooning your mom all over Kitsap Joined: Sun Apr 24, 2011 Posts: 5873 Real Name: *Classified*
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Nice video Steve....... but who's the goofy guy using your rig while you're running the camera?
_________________ Think a woman might be grateful when I hold a door open for her? NOOOoooo! All I get is "Hey! I'm peeing in here!" "Peace is the brief, glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading." |
| Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:30 pm |
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Site Admin Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52020 Real Name: Steve
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 _________________ Steve Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation Patriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of America Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition Member, NAGR/NFGR Please support the organizations that support all of us. Leave it cleaner than you found it. |
| Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:14 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: East of Japan, not by much. Joined: Fri Jun 3, 2011 Posts: 12990
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Totally slick set up. Can you post a video of the assembly of the "easy bake improvement" install modifications? That would be a big help - and cost on both the swager and case trimmer plus the supplier you used for purchase. Muchos grassyass in advance!
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| Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:17 pm |
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Site Admin Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52020 Real Name: Steve
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RENCORP wrote: Totally slick set up. Can you post a video of the assembly of the "easy bake improvement" install modifications? That would be a big help - and cost on both the swager and case trimmer plus the supplier you used for purchase. Muchos grassyass in advance! The trimmer you buy straight from Giraud. The price is $425 plus shipping ($25-30, I think): http://giraudtool.com/prod02.htm The Dillon Super Swage 600 is about $100 and available from multiple sources. Here's the Dillon site: http://www.dillonprecision.com/content/p/9/pid/25263/catid/8/Super_Swage_600 As for the Super Swage modification, here's a Youtube video that probably shows it better: Basically, you tie a string from the handle to the nut on the other end; this string forces the case holder to rise when the handle is lifted. You then attached a rubber band from the case holder "tab" to something fixed (in this case, the pin for the handle) and that forces the case holder down once the tension on the string is gone -- when you start to lower the handle. It works pretty well, though the string loosens up a bit over time, and rubs on sharp edges on the underside of th swager so it breaks occasionally and needs to be replaced. _________________ Steve Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation Patriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of America Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition Member, NAGR/NFGR Please support the organizations that support all of us. Leave it cleaner than you found it. |
| Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:34 pm |
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