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Feeding a Springfield Armory Victor, notes and issues
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Schoolboy
Location: Arlington wa Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2011 Posts: 1140
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Nitro_Guns wrote: Schoolboy wrote: I've been thinking about what to do next, and I've settled on doing 5 more 10 round groups of charge weights: 25.6, 25.8, 26, 26.2, 26.4. I'm also tempted to do a 6th 5-10 round test group that has 1 or 2 rounds for each powder charge. This would represent a worst case scenario for the variation I might get from the dillon powder drop vs my hand weighed charges? I have found that small powder variations rarely have a huge effect on groups. In my case anyway, brass prep, bullet seating depth and other factors not related directly to the exact powder charge have more to do with tight groups. Now granted a large deviation in charge weights can definitely have an affect on groups. Keep us updated. I am always interested in what others discover. Bullet seating depth is something I had planned on exploring a bit but its gonna have to wait. I also would be very curious to see the effects of annealing the cases. Especially after seeing what it did for your groups.
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:36 pm |
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Nitro_Guns
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Location: Lynnwood Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2011 Posts: 2499
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Schoolboy wrote: Nitro_Guns wrote: Schoolboy wrote: I've been thinking about what to do next, and I've settled on doing 5 more 10 round groups of charge weights: 25.6, 25.8, 26, 26.2, 26.4. I'm also tempted to do a 6th 5-10 round test group that has 1 or 2 rounds for each powder charge. This would represent a worst case scenario for the variation I might get from the dillon powder drop vs my hand weighed charges? I have found that small powder variations rarely have a huge effect on groups. In my case anyway, brass prep, bullet seating depth and other factors not related directly to the exact powder charge have more to do with tight groups. Now granted a large deviation in charge weights can definitely have an affect on groups. Keep us updated. I am always interested in what others discover. Bullet seating depth is something I had planned on exploring a bit but its gonna have to wait. I also would be very curious to see the effects of annealing the cases. Especially after seeing what it did for your groups. This is the kind of "stuff" that makes reloading fun..... Annealing is definitely something to consider adding to your routine. Keep us posted.
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:49 pm |
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Schoolboy
Location: Arlington wa Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2011 Posts: 1140
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Well I got the 50rnds done for test on my lee single stage. Then I got a wild hair and dug out the Dillon 550B and ran 10rnds through it with a 26gr charge. We'll see how all of these do tomorrow. https://youtu.be/IHalFy1bmiE
_________________ You can only run for so long, and if you do you'll still be surrounded and out numbered so hold the line.
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Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:32 pm |
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Schoolboy
Location: Arlington wa Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2011 Posts: 1140
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I met up with Col_Temp at the seattle rifle club again today to test these rounds at 100yrds. This time I started with a full 10 rounds of factory hornady 55gr ammo. That netted me a 3" group. Next up were the reloads starting with 10rnds of cfe223 at 25.6gr. The whole group comes in at 3", without the 2 flyers it's a 1" cluster. The 25.8gr group came in at 2.25". Now 26grs was my best group last time but this time I just blew it and netted a 2.5" which was a bit frustrating. Now the 26.2gr group tightened back up to 1.5"-2". That was followed up by 26.4gr coming in at a very solid 2". At this point I loaded up the 10rnds of 26gr's that were loaded on the Dillon 550B. These came in at 2" as well but with 4 all in the same hole in the bullseye.... Apparently I just decided to be a 2" shooter today.. But I do feel pretty good about the 26.0-26.2gr range of powder. Enough so, that I'm gonna add a little powder to the dillon a load enough for several mags. When things calm down I will be swapping the 6-25x50 viper onto the rife just see if I can actually make these little 55's shoot into an inch.
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:18 pm |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52064
Real Name: Steve
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Is this all with a 1-6x scope?
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:28 pm |
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Schoolboy
Location: Arlington wa Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2011 Posts: 1140
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MadPick wrote: Is this all with a 1-6x scope? Yes sir! I'm using the SFP 1-6 primary arms scope with acss retical.
_________________ You can only run for so long, and if you do you'll still be surrounded and out numbered so hold the line.
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:09 pm |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52064
Real Name: Steve
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Well, my vote is to put that big scope on, and test with that. I understand your position on this, but that's my vote. And break out those big bullets, too.
_________________SteveBenefactor Life Member, National Rifle AssociationLife Member, Second Amendment FoundationPatriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of AmericaLife Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear ArmsLegal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy CoalitionMember, NAGR/NFGRPlease support the organizations that support all of us.Leave it cleaner than you found it.
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:16 pm |
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Nitro_Guns
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Location: Lynnwood Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2011 Posts: 2499
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Great report and good results...
I am with the "cake eater", slap the big scope on and get serious.
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:21 pm |
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Schoolboy
Location: Arlington wa Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2011 Posts: 1140
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Speaking of the heavies, I forgot I've held off posting these from last time. So here are the pictures of hornady 75gr projectiles... Starting with the top picture working left to right with 5 shot groups....
22.5gr = 2.5" 23.0gr = 2" 23.5gr = 2.25" 24.0gr = 1.75" 24.5gr = 1.25" *** Best group 25.0gr = 1.75" 25.5gr = 3.5" < pressure signs 26.0gr = 3" < more pressure signs
All of this was again with the 1-6 scope at 100yrds
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:38 pm |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52064
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^ Looks good!
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:58 pm |
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sportsdad60
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Location: The banana belt of MT Joined: Wed Dec 30, 2015 Posts: 8587
Real Name: Brian
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In my experimentation of ladders, using a Chrono is essential to a consistent group. I have found in experiments that two different groupings on seperate days ( with a 30 deg temperature deviation )with the exact same powder charge can vary, as Im sure most experienced hand loaders have. I started studying Standard Deviation on my rounds with a chrono and found that my groups that held a 20 SD or lower typically were more accurate for groups in various temperature variations. Ironically, the old school powder...black powder, which is an explosive, not a flammable powder like smokeless, holds my personal record for standard deviation..... 5.6 SD for a 10 shot group. AA5744 was 2nd best... 7.38 SD. AVG StdDev Min Max Spread TrueMV Shots/Sec Group Size 1312.5 7.38 1302 1325 23 1312.5 0.04 0
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