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Lead Casting Setup
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 Location: Marysville, WA Joined: Tue Nov 15, 2011 Posts: 32 
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It was requested of me to provide a description of my lead casting setup. While I am working to complete a write up for http://www.experiencepreferred.com I decided to post a initial description here: http://03479b9.netsolhost.com/WordPress/2011/12/05/bullet-casting-setup/.
Please let me know what you think. Tim Link fixed _________________ http://www.experiencepreferred.com - New Shooting Experiences Wanted Glock 17, 19, 23, 26, 34 S&W M&P9, M&P45, M&P15-5.56, Bodyguard Hornady Lock-n-Load AP Progressive Press Last edited by tim on Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:55 pm, edited 1 time in total. |
| Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:41 pm |
 
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Site Supporter   Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2011 Posts: 4094
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Tim,
Good write up so far. I would like to see more from you. I have cast bullets for 20+ years, but mainly for Black Powder Cartridge shooting. There are some differences. The lead alloy is critical for the prevention of leading. For BPCR an alloy of 20/1 to 40/1 (lead to tin ratio) makes the best bullets. For smokeless, the harder alloy works best. The American rifleman posted an article in the late 70's showing their results with cast bullets in a .357 and velocities up to 1300 fps, showing little sign of leading. A good part of this was due to having a very good sharp edge on the base of the bullet. Any faster than that started to show leading. It was presumed that the prime cause of leading was from flame cutting and melting of the bullet base. They were able to prevent this leading by using a styrofoam wad between the bullet and the powder charge. Damn, It appears that I am trying to hijack your thread. I will leave off here and hope to hear more from you on this facinating (to me) thread. _________________ FREE MEN do not need permission I Believe in the United States of America as a government of the people, for the people; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; a democracy in a republic; a sovereign Nation of many sovereign States; a perfect union, one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice, and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes. I believe it is my duty to my country to love it, to support its Constitution, to obey its laws, to respect its flag, and to defend it against all enemies." William Tyler Page 1917 |
| Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:10 am |
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Site Admin   Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38402 Real Name: Dan
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While casting and metallurgy are alien to me, I do enjoy reading reviews and how-to's. Nicely done!
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| Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:15 am |
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Site Supporter Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2011 Posts: 4094
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After we get a little further into what Tim has done, I will post about making your own bullet lube and "pan lubing" the bullets and sizing.
_________________ FREE MEN do not need permission I Believe in the United States of America as a government of the people, for the people; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; a democracy in a republic; a sovereign Nation of many sovereign States; a perfect union, one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice, and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes. I believe it is my duty to my country to love it, to support its Constitution, to obey its laws, to respect its flag, and to defend it against all enemies." William Tyler Page 1917 |
| Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:17 am |
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Location: Marysville, WA Joined: Tue Nov 15, 2011 Posts: 32
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Old Jim wrote: Tim, Good write up so far. I would like to see more from you. I have cast bullets for 20+ years, but mainly for Black Powder Cartridge shooting. There are some differences. The lead alloy is critical for the prevention of leading. For BPCR an alloy of 20/1 to 40/1 (lead to tin ratio) makes the best bullets. For smokeless, the harder alloy works best. The American rifleman posted an article in the late 70's showing their results with cast bullets in a .357 and velocities up to 1300 fps, showing little sign of leading. A good part of this was due to having a very good sharp edge on the base of the bullet. Any faster than that started to show leading. It was presumed that the prime cause of leading was from flame cutting and melting of the bullet base. They were able to prevent this leading by using a styrofoam wad between the bullet and the powder charge. Damn, It appears that I am trying to hijack your thread. I will leave off here and hope to hear more from you on this facinating (to me) thread. Go ahead and hijack. This is how I learn... From my research the hardness comes into factor when the pressure in the chamber increases. Rifles usually require a gas check due to their high velocities as due high velocity handgun loads. That is why I went as light as I did in my testing. Particularly with the 9mm rounds. I am using a Lee Hardness tester and I am not trusting it. Does anyone else have a different tool to test hardness? _________________ http://www.experiencepreferred.com - New Shooting Experiences Wanted Glock 17, 19, 23, 26, 34 S&W M&P9, M&P45, M&P15-5.56, Bodyguard Hornady Lock-n-Load AP Progressive Press |
| Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:22 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: East of Japan, not by much. Joined: Fri Jun 3, 2011 Posts: 13030
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Please keep posting any and all information related to casting. I am really interested in looking at casting as a sound investment. It means having more ammo in the future regardless of commercial bullet availability. Knowledge is power, as they say. Plus, it would mean way cheaper rounds for reloading, therefore more practicing, more skill, more fun! cram this thread with comments and experiences, and please start more on the subject you all with skills in lead work, please.
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| Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:01 pm |
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Site Supporter Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2011 Posts: 4094
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All very true Tim, you are on the right track. My area rests more with low velocity smokeless and Black powder loads.
The softer alloys used in BPCR allow the bullet to obturate for a better gas seal. Black Powder will "bump up" the bullet quicker than smokeless. The harder alloy for smokeless does not obturate as much as in BP, therefore the need for a gas check. I have used linotype when I can find it and sterotype when I can get it. I currently have about 150# of sterotype on hand in 50# blocks. I cast it as is for 175 gr TC 40 cal. 45 acp , 38 super and 330 gr Gould HP .458 for 45/70 I also make my own lube. 4oz Bees wax 2oz Neatsfoot OIL (must be OIL not compound) 2 oz Murphy's oil soap melt the bees wax in a double boiler and slowly add the neatsfoot oil, stir until well mixed. VERY SLOWLY add the Murphy's oil soap. If added to quickly it will foam up and overflow. The Murphy's causes a soponification of the mix. Pour the lube into the appropriate contained and let solidify. This makes a lube that will not run in hot weather, nor will it get too hard in cold weather. This lube does not migrate into the powder, but you must assure the base of the bullet is free of lube to prevent contamination. I have 45-70 rounds that have been loaded for 3 years with this lube and still fire properly. _________________ FREE MEN do not need permission I Believe in the United States of America as a government of the people, for the people; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; a democracy in a republic; a sovereign Nation of many sovereign States; a perfect union, one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice, and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes. I believe it is my duty to my country to love it, to support its Constitution, to obey its laws, to respect its flag, and to defend it against all enemies." William Tyler Page 1917 |
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