Thanks! Here's a Ukranian way to test the plate by the director of UARM :) Put the plate on and make somebody shoot it on yourself with AK :)

True that, better than trying to stay behind an engine block...YMMV.

Alot of Condor's gear is still shitty!

That rig...honestly looks like a nice, well made PC, from here, without close examination and puttin' it through the wringer.

Those are ROC buckles, kind of an alternative to FS tubes. If they're well-made, they're probably sturdy. BCS is well-known high quality and they use ROC buckles in some of their stuff.

The price point is ridiculous though....plenty of known high quality rigs out there for less. Why take a chance.

The plates....forget it. Fee-only plates are not known to reliably stop many common rifle rounds....notice the absence of m855 and m193 in their threat matrix, and no velocities for testing noted.

Unless successfully tested in independent labs against those threats, do not want.

Again, plenty of known good armor out there that reliably does more, for less.

The plates Steve just got are way better than those!

That test video looks fake as all fuck.

Ah - interesting question... What gives it away for you? :) In fact this video was hotly discussed and UARM had a follow-up youtube video with English CC trying to disprove accusations that it was fake. :) The cool point I notice though that the shot was made in one continuous camera shot - from loading rifle to actual shot to final close up. At 1080 you see that hole was not in PC before and appeared after shot... :)

Hotly discussed where?

How do you know you’re getting the same plate here as was worn there?

It just looks fake. Guy doesn't wince or move one bit when "hit".

Camera angle is wierd...shooter could easily be shooting past him.

ETA: main point is, if there's a shred of doubt, why even bother, when there are plenty of great, known options out there.

That video does look fake

Either that or it was a really weak load

The amount of back face deformation when he shot that plate is going to hurt. A lot. He probably would not be standing or smiling after taking a hit like that.

LA police gear has level III and IV in stock. They're Chinese made but the seem to have pretty good reviews. Good price too
$114.99 for level III
$119.99 for level IV

https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-level3-plate.html
https://lapolicegear.com/la-police-gear-level-iv-ballistic-armor-plate.html?avad=227253_e1d02cff5#

That's what I mean. It's well-known that those are stellar performers. Even their lvl IIIs have been documented to stop above and beyond said rating.

Probably very limited quantity, but here's some name brand plates that are NIJ certified for a decent price.

https://www.kotaoutfitters.com/product-page/hesco-4k10-level-iv-multi-hit-6-6-lbs-set-of-two

Thank you guys for all your input and advice! Really appreciate it!

Just couple of words on the apples and oranges on plates. The theme of my research was "lightweight". That means no ceramics, no steel. This usually means UHMWPE alone and level 3+ max. The reputable example of such certified plates would be https://hrttacticalgear.com/product/sho ... mor-plate/ Notice the price tag. $699 for X-Large and no Large option. $300 price tag for perhaps :) similar UARM UHMWPE large SAPI then seems not too bad. :) True, their armor is NOT certified in USA. I've checked on the NJIA certification site that has a list of all certified products. Doesn't mean it doesn't work either. Your input on a gamble here is totally valid. The only thing remaining to decide if I'm to take it. And if I do - and if I ever catch a shot into it (which I will do everything in my power NOT to do) and live to review it on this board - I'll do it. :)

It was hotly discussed in comments on this video by many critics :) Here's another angle on the same video:



That's a good question. How does anybody know what they got from internet seller until their armor is actually shot?

I was thinking about "hurt" factor too... Perhaps the physics of UHMWPE is more forgiving because it has a different energy dissipation principle as compared to real hard materials like steel or ceramics. Also I was wondering about the shot placement in the video. It was (I thought dangerously) in the lower portion of the plate, with back face deformation area being in the softer area of plexus that can easily absorb that amount of deformation with proper curving of the plate.

Wouldn't know :) Never seen anybody shot and never been shot myself.