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Secure radio communications : A primer
Secure radio communications : A primer
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18449
Real Name: Johnny 5
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I'm now on County 19 of 39....
I'm probably about 20 hours in.
This shit sucks.
That doesn't include fed interop, marine, wx, etc that I plan to add as well...
Once complete, a list will be provided, and a codeplug with instructions will be uploaded and linked to, free of charge.
For now, that list will only be for the Astro25 series radios (XTS5000, XTS2500) but that can change in the future.
The biggest issue for making files for different radios, is each radio uses different software, different formats, and has different capabilities, meaning I essentially have to redo everything.
I've talked to Dan, and he's OK with me putting up a link to 'buy me a coffee' once I post everything. Basically, if you appreciate my work, send a couple bucks my way to say thanks, but it's in no way compulsory and I will still provide any help/support/programming for free. THANK YOU to those that have already donated a couple bucks to the Weenie coffee fund in person, it's greatly appreciated (it really goes towards gas to get to Dr. appointments, propane for heat, and food, heh).
_________________NO DISASSEMBLE!Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18449
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Once everything is done, I will make a post here, and edit the first post with all the new info, and downloads. Quick note about channel naming... The first 3 digits of the display are the county. They are as follows... Naming after that is common sense. For countywide agencies, there is NO prefix So, if your display shows... YAK SO DISP = Yakima County Sheriff's office dispatch YAK FD DISP = Yakima County fire dispatch When needed, a designator may be used to indicate area. PEN FD NORTH = Pend Oreille County, Fire, North dispatch. City or local agencies will be prefixed with their name. YAK YAK PD2 = Yakima County, Yakima city police channel 2 The same designators for location can be used in city/local agency names, but truncated to N, E, S, W f ADA OTHL FDS = Adams county, Othello Fire Dep't South Where more than one channel exists for that agency, where space allows, the designation of that channel will be included. TAC or T = Tactical channel CAR or C = Car to car channel OPS or O = Operations channel Special units will be designated by their full name SAR= Search and Rescue SWAT or ERT (or whatever local nomenclature is) AMATEUR RADIO This is easy. The city, followed by the frequency. Since these are VHF radios, and the amateur band is 144-148, we chop off the 14 in front. Thus... 146.52 = 652. 146.88 = 688. 147.105 = 7105 etc. So, your display reads... KNG FDWY 676 What zone are you in, what city is the repeater in, and what frequency are you on? - Spoiler: show
- King Co. Federal Way, 146.76
How about... KTT EBRG 529 ? - Spoiler: show
- Kittitas Co. Ellensburg, 145.29
Waguns TAC channel. will be channel 1 in EVERY zone. There are special features associated with that channel that I'll go over later. It will support sending messages, group calls, etc. but I will have to instruct people. It will support selectable encryption, and the ability to program multiple encryption keys, to support secure communications between family members that you might not want other waguns members privy to, if you use that frequency. heh. We will need to figure out a numbering system, as each radio needs a unique ID, preferably 4 digits long.
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laneends
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Location: Kent Joined: Mon Sep 9, 2013 Posts: 579
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This is absolutely fantastic work. I for one really appreciate your efforts! Sign my up, I have three radios ready for new life!
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:40 am |
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beckdw
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Location: Tri -Cities Joined: Thu May 23, 2013 Posts: 2798
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TechnoWeenie wrote:
We will need to figure out a numbering system, as each radio needs a unique ID, preferably 4 digits long.
Everyone just needs to send me their full SSN and I will make a list of the last 4s for TW, lol, jk. Seriously don't do that. What about using people's join dates in a 6 digit format? I.e. MMDDYY? Seems unlikely there are many with the same join date? I could be wrong.
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:05 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18449
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Well, it's a tough call, because I have to play the role of a radio administrator, but they're your radios, and you set them up how you want..
The easy thing to do is program in sequential numbers, but that will be a shitshow with people programming their own number in.
There are 2 places this needs to be...
MDC ID, which requires 4 numbers, and Astro ID, which is used in digital modes. Keeping them the same makes it easy to compile a list, so the radios can be updated with those ID numbers. There's also what's called soft ID, so when you key up, it displays on the other radio who's talking without relying on a lookup table.
Also, Beckdw, was your radio an AN or BN? I am vaguely remember it being an AN, and if that's the case, your means of navigating the radio will be different due to firmware limitations, and you may run into a channel limitation as well, since there's over 800 channels in the radio.I think AN is limited to 500...
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:31 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18449
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laneends wrote: This is absolutely fantastic work. I for one really appreciate your efforts! Sign my up, I have three radios ready for new life! Have your radio flashcodes/firmware been updated?
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:34 pm |
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laneends
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Location: Kent Joined: Mon Sep 9, 2013 Posts: 579
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No they have not. Bought on eBay, was told they were all the same... I can't do anything right now as they seem to be password protected, still need to track down a manual...
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:55 pm |
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beckdw
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TechnoWeenie wrote: Well, it's a tough call, because I have to play the role of a radio administrator, but they're your radios, and you set them up how you want..
The easy thing to do is program in sequential numbers, but that will be a shitshow with people programming their own number in.
There are 2 places this needs to be...
MDC ID, which requires 4 numbers, and Astro ID, which is used in digital modes. Keeping them the same makes it easy to compile a list, so the radios can be updated with those ID numbers. There's also what's called soft ID, so when you key up, it displays on the other radio who's talking without relying on a lookup table.
Also, Beckdw, was your radio an AN or BN? I am vaguely remember it being an AN, and if that's the case, your means of navigating the radio will be different due to firmware limitations, and you may run into a channel limitation as well, since there's over 800 channels in the radio.I think AN is limited to 500... Mine are the AN version. If you put up the full list sounds like I can just pare my list down to what I want to meet the limit before I program it, right?
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:12 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18449
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laneends wrote: No they have not. Bought on eBay, was told they were all the same... I can't do anything right now as they seem to be password protected, still need to track down a manual... PM inbound
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:24 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18449
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beckdw wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: Well, it's a tough call, because I have to play the role of a radio administrator, but they're your radios, and you set them up how you want..
The easy thing to do is program in sequential numbers, but that will be a shitshow with people programming their own number in.
There are 2 places this needs to be...
MDC ID, which requires 4 numbers, and Astro ID, which is used in digital modes. Keeping them the same makes it easy to compile a list, so the radios can be updated with those ID numbers. There's also what's called soft ID, so when you key up, it displays on the other radio who's talking without relying on a lookup table.
Also, Beckdw, was your radio an AN or BN? I am vaguely remember it being an AN, and if that's the case, your means of navigating the radio will be different due to firmware limitations, and you may run into a channel limitation as well, since there's over 800 channels in the radio.I think AN is limited to 500... Mine are the AN version. If you put up the full list sounds like I can just pare my list down to what I want to meet the limit before I program it, right? Read your radio. Go to Radio configuration, radio wide, general, and you'll see this... Attachment: wxrdytfuyg.png
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:28 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Version 1 is complete.
I still need to add Marine channels, DNR, and a couple other things, but should be good for 99% of things.
You cannot just dump this into the radio, you need to modify a few fields, and CLONE the codeplug, not just write it....
I'm making a quick guide on how to do that.
In the meantime, THE CURRENT CODEPLUG IS IN THE FIRST POST OF THIS THREAD...
Also, the voice files will not work unless they're loaded into the voice file directory, that's another thing I need to do.
_________________NO DISASSEMBLE!Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18449
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So, first thing to do is load R20 CPS. Download the current Codeplug from the very first post of this thread. Load the codeplug through the file -> open DO NOT TRY TO WRITE THE RADIO! Go to the menu, and choose Tools, cloning, clone radio.. Connect your programming cable to your radio, connect the programming cable to your computer, make sure you have the correct serial port selected, and power on the radio, then CLICK READ SERIAL NUMBERThe serial number field will populate with the serial number of your radio. After your serial number is read, click on VIEW MDC ID's. Choose a 4 digit number as your ID, and input it in the fields.When done with that window, hit OK, then ... CLICK ON VIEW ASTRO IDs Input the SAME 4 digits you entered above, into those fields as well.Click on VIEW USER INFOYou guessed it, put the same 4 digits in there too...Now, hit program! If it says flaschode is not compatible, PM me.Once the radio is programmed, immediately READ the radio, and save your codeplug. You will use THAT to modify and change if you need, and you won't have to use the cloning process in the future. The radio will DEFAULT to no power on password. Please set the power on password via RADIO CONFIGURATION, DISPLAY & MENU, under the RADIO LOCK tab, click to enable radio lock, then set a password via keypad. -------------------------- -------------------------- The first 3 zones are FPP, meaning they can be modified. The buttons and switches are as follows..... Because there are more than 16 channels in each zone, you use the front buttons as channel up and channel down, and side buttons as zone up/zone down. That can be changed if you wish. Sierra 1 is an encrypted frequency, local range. This has taken a TON of work, lots of sleepless nights... I'm sure you can tell by some of the timestamps on the files... If you appreciate the work I've done, feel free to 'buy me a coffee'.... https://paypal.me/XTS5000
_________________NO DISASSEMBLE!Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:19 am |
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beckdw
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Location: Tri -Cities Joined: Thu May 23, 2013 Posts: 2798
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Wow, that is quite the process! TW you are truly an asset to this community. You really broke that down.
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:53 am |
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18449
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V1 zone/channel list Not sure why 652 is not aligning properly, but it's cosmetic. Also, Yakima is testing NXDN, so you may occasionally hear digital noise if you're listening to them.
_________________NO DISASSEMBLE!Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:57 pm |
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movingviolation
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Location: Bonney Lake Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2011 Posts: 3294
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got one of my radios programmed yesterday had to call Techno support but i just hard hardware issues and operator errors... all is working good
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Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:51 pm |
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