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new daddy
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Location: Normandy Park Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2012 Posts: 1416
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:01 pm |
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usrifle
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Location: RENTON Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 Posts: 20771
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NBC rated, and you need some. That reminds me, i need to get some new Filters. They don't store forever.
_________________ Mr. Q wrote: so basically, if you have to smoke some asshole, make sure they become fertilizer and then Bounce? got it.
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:35 pm |
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jukk0u
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_________________ “Finding ‘common ground’ with the thinking of evil men is a fool’s errand” ~ Herschel Smith
"The said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." ~ Samuel Adams
“A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli
Láodòng zhèng zhūwèi zìyóu
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:01 pm |
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NotAMerc
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Decide what you want protection from. If you’re worrying about a actual nuclear/biological/chemical environment you’re going to need a lot more than just a mask. If you’re just worried about riot agents then just about any mask with a decent filter will do. An expired NBC filter will still easily protect from riot control agents.
Not that I would ever encourage such a thing, but the M50 masks that you can find on EBay are some of the better masks you can get right now for the money. Getting replacement filters may be a pain, but if you just want something for riot type stuff they should serve you very well.
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:35 pm |
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usrifle
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NotAMerc wrote: Decide what you want protection from. If you’re worrying about a actual nuclear/biological/chemical environment you’re going to need a lot more than just a mask. If you’re just worried about riot agents then just about any mask with a decent filter will do. An expired NBC filter will still easily protect from riot control agents.
Not that I would ever encourage such a thing, but the M50 masks that you can find on EBay are some of the better masks you can get right now for the money. Getting replacement filters may be a pain, but if you just want something for riot type stuff they should serve you very well. Good point about the NBC, if you don't have a suit it really doesn't matter if you just have the Mask.
_________________ Mr. Q wrote: so basically, if you have to smoke some asshole, make sure they become fertilizer and then Bounce? got it.
Guntrader wrote: Huh, maybe I was an asshole.
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:44 pm |
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NotAMerc
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usrifle wrote: NotAMerc wrote: Decide what you want protection from. If you’re worrying about a actual nuclear/biological/chemical environment you’re going to need a lot more than just a mask. If you’re just worried about riot agents then just about any mask with a decent filter will do. An expired NBC filter will still easily protect from riot control agents.
Not that I would ever encourage such a thing, but the M50 masks that you can find on EBay are some of the better masks you can get right now for the money. Getting replacement filters may be a pain, but if you just want something for riot type stuff they should serve you very well. Good point about the NBC, if you don't have a suit it really doesn't matter if you just have the Mask. Not just a suit, you’d need detection equipment and heavy decontamination setup. Plus once stuff has been exposed it has to be discarded and replaced. So you’d need multiple suits, gloves, boots and filters. Not really feasible unless you’ve got a Gov budget.
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:55 pm |
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NWGunner
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Location: South Seattle Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 12475
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NotAMerc wrote: Not just a suit, you’d need detection equipment and heavy decontamination setup. Plus once stuff has been exposed it has to be discarded and replaced. So you’d need multiple suits, gloves, boots and filters. Not really feasible unless you’ve got a Gov budget. I wish this could be plastered across every prepper website and junk-sales platform there is. Plus, contaminated stuff doesn’t just have to be ‘discarded’, but discarded safely...
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:12 pm |
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NotAMerc
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NWGunner wrote: NotAMerc wrote: Not just a suit, you’d need detection equipment and heavy decontamination setup. Plus once stuff has been exposed it has to be discarded and replaced. So you’d need multiple suits, gloves, boots and filters. Not really feasible unless you’ve got a Gov budget. I wish this could be plastered across every prepper website and junk-sales platform there is. Plus, contaminated stuff doesn’t just have to be ‘discarded’, but discarded safely... But then they don’t make money!
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:33 pm |
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NotAMerc
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/392884600943This will do just about anything you need for the short term. Medium fits most folks, but if you can find someone that has different mask sizes for you to try on before hand I’d recommend that first.
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:35 pm |
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jackass
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Location: Burien Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2013 Posts: 5879
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First, I would only go for Western gear (not Warsaw pact or Chinese). M17 would be good with filters properly stored, although they would be old. Other disadvantage is the inability to change while wearing a mask. There are different variations to include mouth to mouth resuscitation (A1 version) (doesn't work), and drinking from a canteen (A2) (works ok) with an NBC cap. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M17_gas_maskM40 was a marked improvement with this ability, with the capability to use NATO standard screw in filters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M40_field_protective_maskDon't know about the M50 although I think it would be an improvement over the M40. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M50_joint ... rpose_maskAs you can see, these are categorized as "protective masks" not "gas" masks, which is a misnomer, since they would not protect you in an oxygen starved area or one with carbon monoxide. You would still exhale your breath in this contaminated environment given the usage of the flutter valves for exhaling. There are various means for detection to include: observation, M9 paper, chemical alarms, etc. https://www.armystudyguide.com/content/ ... us-2.shtmlThey're all sized items, and for your head, the use of calipers are used to assist in determining your face size or just try them on and find one that give you a good seal, although you would be getting your koodies on other gear people could be wearing. We would often use banana oil to see if you have a good seal. Protective suit, e.g. gloves, boots, covering is needed for skin protection, if there is a corrosive, reactive, or agent that contacts the skin and causes harm to include nerve agents (and probably other agents). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_agenthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOPP_(protective_gear) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weaponIf you wear glasses, you need an insert with special spectacles to fit. What is the risk? Tear gas by and large is the major usage so far in this country. Mark Koernke always reminds listeners, "How long can you hold your breath?" If the Chinese ever gave MS-13 chemical weapons, it would be interesting. However, usage can vary based on weather conditions, method on employment, operational setting (rural, downtown). I would say the risk is low, unless you are in an urban setting, especially Seattle, where tear gas and the like can be deployed. Big topic, didn't even scratch the surface, and I was never an NBC series specialty (I did go to NBC Defense). Decontamination is another area which is messy, continued operations, disposal.
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Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:36 am |
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new daddy
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Location: Normandy Park Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2012 Posts: 1416
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Great info! Mostly I’m concerned about riot agents. Not sure about other chemical agents, but in a nuke scenario, Just not sure much can be done on a personal level unless it’s to suit up for evacuation. So the suiting up point is well taken.
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Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:05 am |
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new daddy
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So I’m looking at this mask. I’m guessing the NBC77 canisters are for nuclear/bio agents and are something I could potentially buy later?
Is this correct? Other concerns or issues?
School me.
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Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:42 am |
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jackass
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Location: Burien Joined: Sun Sep 22, 2013 Posts: 5879
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Which mask?
Canisters are a durable/expendable item and can be purchased later.
Canisters when you lightly shake them should not have loose debris.
Stored properly they are good for years.
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Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:08 am |
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NotAMerc
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new daddy wrote: So I’m looking at this mask. I’m guessing the NBC77 canisters are for nuclear/bio agents and are something I could potentially buy later?
Is this correct? Other concerns or issues?
School me. your listing or image of mask did not come through so we don't know which mask you're referring to.
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new daddy
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