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You do realize that there are literally millions of Americans that have never used a drill or a mill....or a firearm, right?


Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:25 pm
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dan10mmman wrote:
Getting a bit personal?


And still no logic in your argument.



I am picturing of a person more than in your 20’s
Then you know people have certain constraints.

I put one here. No guns but they are planning and this would fit their niche. Or maybe they want an extra compete kit. Whatever the reason. Here is where they can get a complete kit.

What more of a reason or logic do I need to supply?


Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:26 pm
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I have friends just like oldkim is describing. I care for them deeply, despite their different viewpoint.
Discussing things with people like this is fine, but being pushy can only push them away. I think I pushed a little too hard the last time I was there, even though I was consciously trying not to. One of the daughters brought up a national study about how firearms are far more likely to injure or kill a family member than be used for legitimate self-defense.
Anyway, the point is that logic does not work on the brainwashed. We're all brainwashed on something. Lots of people happen to have been brainwashed by the big time anti-2A politicians and MSM and entertainers.
It's our job to reverse this trend.

So what do I do with friends who are anti-2A or fearful about 2A? Gentle discussion and I try to prepare for them.
I have guns and ammo to give away if and when they have an awakening, along with as many trips to the shooting range as they want or need to go along with the Tool of Freedom. So far I have given away 11 handguns and rifles and several cases of ammo to new converts and to "coming of age" friends. Given, not sold.
All according to the Law of the Land.
I have also given lessons to people who have had an "awakening" experience and went out and bought their first TOF. Given.

We had an interesting discussion during one of the group dinners at SHOT last January that made me seriously question the wisdom of giving free stuff to anyone... Something about the gift not having real value in the recipients' eyes. The discussion at SHOT was about firearm training.
I may be doing it wrong by giving away lessons and TsOF, but so far it has been working out.

Anyway, we can't force someone to "see the light" regarding 2A and preparedness. I have some friends who are fearful about firearms. I have stock to share if SHTF, because I care about good people even if they are on the wrong side of the argument on 2A.
If SHTF, I want good people to make it through the shitstorm.


Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:28 pm
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dan10mmman wrote:
You do realize that there are literally millions of Americans that have never used a drill or a mill....or a firearm, right?


So. If they don’t have power... it really doesn’t matter. Shit I have seen a guy make a P80 with a file. No power tools.

It doesn’t say they won’t hurt themselves. They will probably need lots of bandaids. So now since they have never used a drill they can’t have one?


Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:32 pm
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All good. After just buying a Glock in virtually new condition for $350, buying a puzzle without tools for twice as much just does not seem logical or right. I also believe that offering them together is probably going to give the gun grabbers the final straw to make them illegal.


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dan10mmman wrote:
All good. After just buying a Glock in virtually new condition for $350, buying a puzzle without tools for twice as much just does not seem logical or right. I also believe that offering them together is probably going to give the gun grabbers the final straw to make them illegal.


Please note I am not inventing something that isn’t already available.

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https://uspatriotarmory.com/glock-parts ... -kits.html

Complete kits. Some pretty cool ones too.


Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:38 pm
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hkcavalier wrote:
Firearms are a binary system. You must have 1) a firearm and 2) the ability to use it.

I am trying to figure out what you mean by this hkcavalier. I'd rather that every home had a firearm or two, with no -requirement- for training. Would bad things happen in some of those homes? Surely.

So I -think- that I disagree with that statement, but I want to make sure that I understand what you mean.

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Sadly, our country is full of firearms owners that can't hit anything. First hand experience and my friends/acquaintances in the instructor world confirms this.

Truth.



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Someone that refuses to learn how to shoot shouldn't keep a gun around in case of an emergency. S*** or get off the pot, as it were.

Disagree, but I do understand the point that you make.

I'll go for an armed and poorly trained populace over an unarmed and untrained populace any day.


Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:47 pm
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you know I had a lot more respect for you before you started putting words in my mouth


Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:52 pm
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So sad. I’m glad we are straight.

I’m a regular hard head guy. Nothing magical. I took some risk in my day. Basically one that said what they said and meant it. Hence teaching and providing others to train and learn.

Now I think I didn’t put any words in your mouth. It’s all up for people to see. You typed them words - not me.

But on the sunny side. I’m done at work and headed home. Have a good night and plug away!
I won’t be back for a while. So make all the fun you want.


Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:56 pm
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have a safe drive


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oldkim wrote:
Facts. Is simply put up what you said. It’s your words in full content. No cutting or pasting.


If you feel I am offending you...

I do apologize. This was suppose to be an informative thread for those seeking maybe know of someone that could benefit from a KIT.

Instead it brought out all the nay sayers on why and how it should not be allowed. How the fuck over?
I am at a loss.

Hold up. You are jumping to big conclusions. I will admit I could not keep up with every post as this thread blew up, but I do not recall (and I sure as hell did NOT say) that it should not be allowed or for that to be changed.

I just expressed that it is not a simple process to get that 80% to a 100%. We are not talking about cutting a gun shape out of a piece of paper. I merely wanted to express some reality, there are people that are simply clueless in regards to mechanics. Whether it be it putting pieces of lego's together or cutting/drilling a 80% it is quite simply way out of their skillset. Simply saying get this kit and you can have a gun in an emergency is just a bit misleading is all, specially when coupled with having no access to power tools of any kind when shtf and you are in that emergency where you need one.

As I said, I was not intending to rain on your parade, just sharing a point of view. Hopefully it might lead someone that knows they do not have the skills currently to go out and gain some knowledge 1st hand on what is needed rather than just accept it is so easy a caveman can do it and then find themselves with useless pieces of a gun when they need it.
We are talking about being prepared right? Gaining knowledge is part of that, maybe the most important part, maybe they even go to a range and rent guns to at least know how to use one when the time comes.. Sounds pretty win/win to me. They learn some tradeskills and how to use a weapon without having the risk of having one in the house.

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it sounds like there is more to the story for this family. to solve "security in SHTF" per OP a crossbow would be a better solution than an 80% firearm. if the family has time to assemble the firearm, then the "security" issue they are prepping for is not very urgent.
if they are comfortable with owning/storing a kit, why not safely/securely store a dissassembled functioning firearm?
if the security issue is "inside the house" how will this improve with a kit in SHTF scenario?
after the kit is successfully assembled, they will still have to secure it after SHTF.
planning to win one battle but not planning to win the war is unsound strategy.
Failing to plan is planning to fail.


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Show them how to make a slam-fire 12 ga.

It'll be better than a partially/badly assembled 80%.

Much easier/faster to assemble. And could get them a 'real' gun. Or could get them dead. IMO, they probably have the same odds, with the 80%.

Slam-fire... SHTF, slide the pieces together, and you are ready. Make several dozen of them by the time you have milled the 80%...

80%... SHTF, "Ok, wait while I mill this"... mill the 80%, hope you get it right, put the pieces together. Pray that it works.


Not at all saying anyone should be denied, either way. Just looking at the situation and wondering what gives them the best odds.

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Selador wrote:
Show them how to make a slam-fire 12 ga.

It'll be better than a partially/badly assembled 80%.

Excellent advice, given the presented case. Perfect, if they are open to the idea.


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PMB wrote:
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Show them how to make a slam-fire 12 ga.

It'll be better than a partially/badly assembled 80%.

Excellent advice, given the presented case. Perfect, if they are open to the idea.

I also should have been more clear about something more...

Actually MAKE them, beforehand.

You could have several dozen laying around in pieces, and all they are is a bunch of plumbing laying around and a box of shells.

When needed, takes a couple seconds apiece to assemble them.

Anybody with little skill, no training, etc, is also going to stand a better chance of hitting the broad side of a barn with one of these, than with a hastily machined/built 80% glock.

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