Evan is looking for an MP5SD HK factory post sample. He said he thought market price was around $1000, so he's looking for a used SWAT gun from a police department or dealer most likely.

Let us know if you have one. Thanks.

I aint parting with mine, sorry.

It is going to stay under the trunk of my Maserati, right next to my Hk416 and diamond encrusted Rolex GMT.

Post samples are a lot less expensive than the pre 86 guns that are transferable. He's not looking for a $10,000 gun he's looking for a post sample worth a little more than a bare bones M4 carbine.

That pretty much narrows your crowd down to dealers and agencies, right?

Does that stuff shake loose very often in WA?

UHHH...You do realize that FA weapons are a non non here in WA..right? None of the Post Samples were made for Civilian Consumption or Possession..If We were in Oregon You could be hooked up, but WA State...Never...May want to consult the RCW's that relate to such items...

From A FA Web Site That I frequent:

Everything HK is expensive and counter to logic the 9MM 9X guns are the most expensive of the mag fed versions. (although the belt fed HK are even more expensive)

Semi Pricetag pecking order = 94 > 93 > 91 (which roughly reflect the rarity and import numbers)

MP5SDs builds also require the greatest number of custom parts. Technically you can take any HK semi-auto 9X series gun and with a transferable sear turn it into a machinegun my modifying the semi-auto pack, welding up the bolt carrier, and adding the trip lever. So your parts outlay to change an HK91 to a G3 or a HK93 to a HK33 isnt really that high. The amount of labor isn't all that great either for a basic conversion. So most of your money in these types of guns is going into the sear and a couple grand at best into the host gun and a couple hours of labor for somebody who knows what they are doing.

However, for an MP5SD, first you need a HK94 which isnt cheap and then a bunch of custom US made parts as these parts can't be transfered from a German parts kit, (suppressor tube, baffles, ported barrel*), a bunch of hard to find expensive german parts or more custom made US parts (shroud, handguard, cocking tube, cocking tube support, SD front site. * the barrel is debatable if it is restricted as a imported suppressor part.

From there you have to pay somebody to strip the finish, press and headspace a new barrel, weld the cage, cocking tube and front site on, and refinish. Most folks who then go to all this trouble then want all the "bells and whistles" as well so they have the old markings welded over and marked MP5SD, a paddle mag release added, a 3 POS Navy or Burst pack converted to work with their sear, etc.

Generally it seems that most MP5SDs are put together with more care and attention to detail give the amount of dollars spent in parts and the minimum requisite skill level to even attempt such a project. Granted I have seen some real POS SDs done by Hard Times Armory back in the late 80s with radiator tube as the handguard, etc. Needless to say these examples generally don't command the premium you originally posted about.

So that is how you end up with $18K plus MP5SDs and 13K G3s.

...and yes they are fun but a PITA to clean.

And another From Western..



121108-1
Model: MP5SD A2
Cash Price: $27,995.00
50/50 Payments: $28,995.00
Status: In Stock

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I think there is a little confusion here- POST SAMPLE, is a machine gun made after the 86 MG ban. These are called "dealer samples" in dealer hands. Law enforcement agencies are immune to the ban, so there are probably police departments buying Mp5SD's still today from HK.

Some of these guns are probably pretty beat, and are probably available fairly cheap.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.gunsamerica.com/978044519/Post_86_MP5SD.htm <this link is a snapshot of one that sold on guns america for $1800 or was listed with an 1800 asking price.

Here's a link for $6000 for a non HK factory MP5SD< this one is civilian saleable in legal NFA states for this item.

http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=153102

GA,
These are Legal in Wisconsin..but a big NO NO here in Washington State, as we are not allowed to posses FA weapons or even order parts for them...I really miss Wisconsin...I have a house in Oregon Where I have to keep My FA stuff...as I moved from Wisconsin to here in 2007....I Notice Your Avatar Block States You are in Waukesha, WI

Post sample guns are owned by FFL/SOT dealers and law enforcement agencies.

Meaning they are owned in WA too.

If I were looking for a civilian transferable pre 86 Mp5SD that would make sense.

Even in California, SOT's (dealers) can have machine guns and law enforcement agencies too.

WA is home to people like West Coast Armory- machine guns- plenty of them < they are an SOT.

Preaching to the Choir...Are You also an FFL or LEO???

Griffin is an FFL/SOT

Just wondering why an FFL/SOT is fishing for FA weapons in a State that does not allow private ownership of FA, when His own State does....Just curious....

As an FA Owner and past resident of Wisconsin..I would be checking Marshfield or Chipewa Falls Stores...talk to Manny or Dave...You know the Places...Larry Krueger is also a player in Your woods...Tell Him Doc said Hi...

Maybe the best analogy is this: A post sample is a $700 M16 in 2012. But it's more like a rental, because you pay $500 per year SOT tax as a C2 or C3 manufacturer or dealer, as long as you want to keep it. If you can't afford the $500 or decide you don't want to be an SOT anymore you have to torch cut the gun.

The reason I'm having such a hard time here, is probably due to the relatively obscure nature of the concept of "Post Sample". Civilian ownership has nothing to do with post samples (post samples are 4-10 [or more] times less expensive than pre-86 transferable guns which Evan has zero interest in buying. Legal doesn't mean popular- there are exceedingly few NFA items in WI.

I'm aware of more SOT's in WA than in Wisconsin, maybe because civilians here can buy a Mac10 and then quietly drift off into retirement, where in WA people have to get an SOT to own machine guns. Once they get an SOT, they are going to buy post samples because they are for all intents and purposes, the same gun, for a lot less money.

Buying pre-86 transferable guns as an SOT would be spending way more for in essence the same firearm.

Actually I think there is another category called "pre-86 dealer sample" and these guns demand about 30% the market price of a pre-86 transferable, and SOT's (in NFA legal states like WI) can buy these, let their license lapse, and continue to own pre 86 dealer samples, where post dealer samples they would have to sell or torch cut. WA of course without MG's for civilians would be the land of the post sample in my opinion.

This stuff was confusing to me before I had spent several years as an SOT, and some of it is still murky, so I don't expect non license holders to understand these relatively niche areas of the overly complicated NFA game.

I don't know, but I know of more SOT's in WA than I'm aware of in WI, and you guys have this really nice board where Wisconsin shooters is a garbage site where people don't respond to posts.

Sturmgewehr might be the best place to look- the owner there is extremely particular and has a very precise methodology he wants people to strictly adhere to when posting, so that generally keeps me away from there because it is either painful to post over there, or if I just fill in the blanks logically my post will be deleted because invariably I miss some minutia of the process which could be punctuation for all intents and purposes- it's perfect there or it's deleted.