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A gal gets her phone stolen from group of teens. Confronts them and gets harassed. Then off duty Calif Police officer steps in to help but gets way in over his head by these teens. He is carrying but does not use.


“I was exhausted afterward and mentally exhausted,” the former correctional officer, who was armed but refrained from pulling his weapon, said. “There was a lot of restraint that had to be practiced. And I had to do my best to stay in the moment.”

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Large group of teens attacking from all sides?
He got lucky.

Granted hind sight - he did the right thing. His choice...
No one got seriously injured. He didn’t lose his gun. He doesn’t have to live knowing he shot a teen.


But, that’s hindsight. No way...
This is Totally justified self defense of use of lethal force.


Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:45 pm
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well its only a ph, he did the right thing. NOW castrate them if thy find the perps.....

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Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:58 pm
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What would I do?

First of all, I wouldn't have gotten involved at all, unless they started a beat down or worse on the woman.

Shoving and arguing... I have no idea what that is about. Maybe they know each other.

But IF I became involved voluntarily or not... At the point where they started punching me... There would probably be a dead kid or two.

I am too old for that. Too aware of how easily I could be killed with just a few punches. And too aware of how a bunch of kids like that get so easily carried away and wouldn't likely stop until I was dead, or they were otherwise stopped.

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Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:57 am
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Selador wrote:
bunch of kids.


Those aren't kids. Kids grow up at some point. Those are ghetto animals perfecting their skills.

Those are worthless piles of shit that this world would never miss one bit.


Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:59 am
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A couple things.

I make it a point to generally avoid going to stupid places, with stupid people, at stupid times, and doing stupid things.

Malls are stupid places. Teens are stupid people; and I can only imagine that this particular group of teens is not attending UC Berkeley school of medicine if you catch my drift. I am also fairly certain that there must have been some indicators that confronting this group of teens by ones self was a stupid thing, especially being a lone woman.

As far as the officer goes, probably not the smartest thing for his own longevity to jump in but I won't judge on that score. Certainly brave that he did jump in in defense of this woman. However, getting beat by a large group of teens seems to me to create such a disparity of force as to warrant lethal force in self defense. Of course with the mall security guys there the disparity of force argument becomes tougher. I will say I think this guy practiced a shitload more restraint than most of us may have.

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I'll say it again, we need a modern, more violent version of the Guardian Angels. We'll employ former Military with PTSD or Cops who were discharged for excessive violence, pissed off crime victims and people who just want our streets to be safe again.

Catch a criminal, beat the living shit out of him, put him in the hospital or the morgue. We will work in teams of three, all will be armed with both lethal and non-lethal tools and we will not be in uniform, sometimes jeans and t-shirts, sometimes in suits and ties. We will also not be waiting around for the police to arrest us for doing a job that needs to be done.

After a few sensationalized stories hit the press, the criminals will no longer be so brazen.

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TINCANBANDIT wrote:
I'll say it again, we need a modern, more violent version of the Guardian Angels. We'll employ former Military with PTSD or Cops who were discharged for excessive violence, pissed off crime victims and people who just want our streets to be safe again.

Catch a criminal, beat the living shit out of him, put him in the hospital or the morgue. We will work in teams of three, all will be armed with both lethal and non-lethal tools and we will not be in uniform, sometimes jeans and t-shirts, sometimes in suits and ties. We will also not be waiting around for the police to arrest us for doing a job that needs to be done.

After a few sensationalized stories hit the press, the criminals will no longer be so brazen.

I still remember the rookie cop in Death Wish that found the gun and told no one except his Captain. The Captain took it and told him to keep quiet.
Next thing you see is the crime started to drop. Somehow the bad guys got the message.

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30ish years ago I spent a week in the ICU with a swollen brain, after being jumped by 3 guys and kicked into the ground.

I can understand, and commend the guy for his self-control in not drawing and automatically endangering others.

Given that I realize I WOULD draw my gun, if I didn't have another option for self-defense...I carry these. They aren't perfect, but they're damn good. They ride inline on my belt, don't print, and are just stupid easy to draw and clench backwards in the fist. Bringing my fists up into guard position, presents sharp blades to any incoming blows. They may hit me, but they're gonna draw back bloody.

I practice drawing these for muscle memory, and neither one has ever been used for utility purposes.


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