At the 2017 SHOT SHOW, one of the items that turned all of our heads were the offerings from Angel Armor. From magnetic ballistic plates to inserts that slide into your car door, they seemed obsessed with making everything bulletproof.
One of their products was called the “Ally One”. It is a 9″x13″ ballistic “shield” that weighs less than a pound and is less than 1/4″ thick.
We were able to pick one of these up at SHOT with the intention of seeing what it really could do. When I was talking to the Angel Armor staff, I asked if they had tested it against the Federal HST, which is a leading choice in carry ammo. They told me they had not. A lightbulb went off in my head and I knew what needed to happen.
Any chance of seeing what this plate does against lighter 9mm, like 115gr +P, and whether it will stop them?
In my experience, velocity is king for armor penetration, and lower velocity loads like 147gr (+P or subsonic) are much less likely to penetrate than lighter faster loads.
Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:45 pm
Benja455
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Any chance of seeing what this plate does against lighter 9mm, like 115gr +P, and whether it will stop them?
In my experience, velocity is king for armor penetration, and lower velocity loads like 147gr (+P or subsonic) are much less likely to penetrate than lighter faster loads.
This might answer your questions:
Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:10 pm
Massivedesign
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Any chance of seeing what this plate does against lighter 9mm, like 115gr +P, and whether it will stop them?
In my experience, velocity is king for armor penetration, and lower velocity loads like 147gr (+P or subsonic) are much less likely to penetrate than lighter faster loads.
As Ben posted in the other video, it handles 115 just fine. They had a pretty long list of ammo that they have shot at the Ally One, but I wanted to focus on what they had NOT shot at it, that's still a common carry ammo, hence the HST's.
Also, take into consideration that this armor is meant to go into a messenger bag, backpack etc. So there is likely going to be books, a laptop, etc as well in the bullet path. If I had another plate, I have a sacrificial laptop that I would put into a backpack with this armor and shoot the shit out of it with various pistol and rifle ammo as more of a "real world" test. But the armor worked so well on it's own, that I don't even think that test would be needed.
Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:16 am
cmica
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Any chance of seeing what this plate does against lighter 9mm, like 115gr +P, and whether it will stop them?
In my experience, velocity is king for armor penetration, and lower velocity loads like 147gr (+P or subsonic) are much less likely to penetrate than lighter faster loads.
As Ben posted in the other video, it handles 115 just fine. They had a pretty long list of ammo that they have shot at the Ally One, but I wanted to focus on what they had NOT shot at it, that's still a common carry ammo, hence the HST's.
Also, take into consideration that this armor is meant to go into a messenger bag, backpack etc. So there is likely going to be books, a laptop, etc as well in the bullet path. If I had another plate, I have a sacrificial laptop that I would put into a backpack with this armor and shoot the shit out of it with various pistol and rifle ammo as more of a "real world" test. But the armor worked so well on it's own, that I don't even think that test would be needed.
About the only thing that is really a bullet stopper in a laptop is the hard drive and battery. Lots of "holes" in between. If I wanted some secondary protection I'd find some laptop thick phone books and then velcro this piece of "armor" to the inside surface of back panel on a backpack. Great for surviving a trip through the "hood" on your bicycle.
I waimpr impessed with the piece I saw this AM's breakfast.
I like the idea of panels that can slip inside car doors also.
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Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:26 pm
Yondering
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Any chance of seeing what this plate does against lighter 9mm, like 115gr +P, and whether it will stop them?
In my experience, velocity is king for armor penetration, and lower velocity loads like 147gr (+P or subsonic) are much less likely to penetrate than lighter faster loads.
As Ben posted in the other video, it handles 115 just fine. They had a pretty long list of ammo that they have shot at the Ally One, but I wanted to focus on what they had NOT shot at it, that's still a common carry ammo, hence the HST's.
Cool, thanks to both of you; I'd looked at their website for a couple minutes but didn't see details about their tests. I get the idea of trying what they hadn't tested, makes more sense now.
I like the idea of keeping this in a backpack, especially for high-school and college age kids.
Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:52 pm
Yondering
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If you guys are going to test another plate, I'd be willing to donate a few rounds too, particularly the Lehigh 90gr Defense bullet in a +P+ 9mm load.
I haven't been very impressed in my tests of the ARX rounds (I tested 9mm and 45 Auto); they are a similar concept to the Lehigh "Extreme Defense" bullet but don't perform as well in either soft medium (water, paper, meat, possums) or in penetration of metal plate (see below). I haven't tried either one in actual armor though and it would be interesting to see the results in this Ally One plate.
I shot this 1/4" 6061 aluminum plate with a bunch of different rounds, you can see the 9mm ARX in the upper left. Slightly right of center, the 90gr Lehigh made the hole with 4 peeled-back edges, and destroyed a couple gallon water jugs behind it.
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