I'm a little late on this one, it happened in December.

A guy was suicidal, and called 911 for help.....

He had his hands up and visible, and another officer fired a beanbag round at the suspect..

The officer had a 'sympathetic reflex' and shot the guy multiple times..

REALLY?! You ACCIDENTALLY PULLED THE TRIGGER HALF A DOZEN TIMES?!




Not so isolated incident?




Most cops don't fire their weapon in their entire career outside of the range, and this guy is in 2 fatal shootings in less than 2 years? WTF?!

So he wanted to die, officer helped him out. Maybe the next one will learn if he wants to die better to have a weapon in your hand.

and you should link to the story at least and not use your commentary since you seem to be anti cop alot

Yeah, he called and asked for help, because he knew he needed it... NOT to get shot/killed.





That makes no sense.



A video isn't good enough?

Anti-cop?

I just showed video of a guy who basically got executed.... he's charged with murder.. and I'm 'anti-cop'..

LOLOL..

What next, I make a comment on asset forfeiture and you're gonna call me pro-drug?




Link


You can also catch it at PINAC, but that definitely can be a bit biased...

https://photographyisnotacrime.com/

whats wrong with being anti cop? not all police deserve the respect they demand from everyone. (respect me because of my authority and ill respect you as a person)

I'm not anti-cop,FTR.

I'm pro-citizen, anti-corruption, anti-abuse, pro-rights....

"I didn't know you had a bean bag dude"

Says it all. He made a mistake, but he should absolutely still be held accountable.

I clicked on this thread thinking, "Wow, that is extremely troubling if a cop shot an unarmed man." Then, turns out your title is dishonest.

First, your subject is a material falsehood which again shows your anti-cop bias.

The deceased was not "unarmed." Please be TRUTHFUL in your statements because continually being deceptive undermines your credibility.

Secondly, the deceased was mentally unstable, called 911 with suicidal ideations, and was found at 2am with a lighter and a bottle of lighter fluid in his hands, and he was NON-compliant to demands to
1) Drop them, and
2) Put and keep your hands up.

I cannot say whether this was justified or not from the context, but I would err on the side this appears justified.

Arriving at the scene knowing only this man is suicidal, and seeing him flicking a lighter, holding a bottle of lighter fluid, and being non compliant to drop it and put your hands up - I cannot see what other reasonable options or better options cops have?

As we've seen from the Paris video posted yesterday, tasers will ignite fuels. You have NO idea if this man has doused the house in gas or lighter fluid, or himself, or children, etc.

He was NON-compliant. Watch the footage. He does put his hands up but then puts them down again and that's why he's shot. When you're told to put your hands up, it's not a game of the "wave" in a stadium. It means put them up and keep them up to stop being a threat. He also did not drop his weapons, being the lighter fluid and igniter. This is an imminent threat of not only self-injury but unknown injury to other people which he may have doused homes in accelerates.

This is yet another near impossible situation which unstable people put LEOs in and force them to make nearly impossible calls. They don't have the benefit of rewatching a video and knowing the outcome. They are there at 2am and are forced to make the call.

To charge a person (e.g. the officer) with murder you need a high standard of Probable Cause (the same standard to say, kick in your front door with a warrant). Based on this information I'm not seeing a murder charge justified here. This is almost surely a suicide by cop situation and one I cannot blame a cop for.

The cop with the bean bag shotgun still fired his gun, but it happened to be a bean bag gun which the other officer did not know at the time.

Unarmed?

A bottle of lighter fluid and a lighter can be and is a weapon.

more #fakenews

the sheeple bite this like cake on a plate

So, how was he a threat to anyone else? In the grass, not covered in fuel.



Someone 'shot' and he did too.... he escalated the situation.. coming on scene, yelling vulgarities, making demands.


How anyone could think this is okay baffles the mind. I look forward to the cop saying that he couldn't see his hands, or that they were going towards his waist after being shot with a fucking bean bag at his stomach.. anything to justify the murder of a citizen these days.and when you got holster sniffers and apologist beating down the doors to make up any fucking excuse to justify it, who needs facts?

The lengths that some people will go to justify shit like this is outright fucking disgusting.

Lethal force is a matter of last resort, not a matter of convenience or 'I'm going home at the end of the night'.

The only possible threat that he posed was to himself. The officer fucked up. Plain and simple.

If you can do better, then become one. Its always easy to armchair qb behind a keyboard after the fact

Again, I disagree. And for anyone not sure, TW has initiated this by saying the man was "unarmed" which is an outright lie.

I can present any number of reasonable scenarios where the officers may have been threatened or protecting innocent lives. Where they shot him they had a clean shot on a stationary person.

Keep in mind this man was
1) Suicidal
2) Had weapon(s) - lighter and fuel
3) Was noncompliant (eg. not keeping his hands up and not dropping the weapons)

From that context, this man could have turn and ran into the house in 1 second. Forcing the cops to shoot him in the back and toward the house risking the residents therein.

Maybe the man had a trap set, fuel spilled somewhere in the yard, on the house, on several houses.... impossible to know.

Maybe the man had a gun or a dynamite suicide vest with ball bearings.

When the cops are summoned like this they have to be aware that it might be a trap. And a man with a few pounds of explosives in a suicide vest would be a trap to kill some cops.

We just don't know anything other than
1) Irrationally suicidal
2) Armed
3) Non-complaint.

You have to look at this from an objective lens. The man was threatening the officers, the families in those houses, etc. I don't expect the cops to take unreasonable measures like subduing him if he's covered in fuel and holding a lighter. I don't expect cops to stand there while he runs around with a lighter and fuel threatening folks.

I really don't know what you expect LEO to do on these calls.

I don't mean to make things personal and my last post was pretty heated, so sorry for that.

I agree in a lot of circumstances, it may be prudent to use lethal Force when someone is presenting fire as a weapon. This dude clearly needed help. He wasn't threatening anybody else with it, just himself.

This reminds me of those situations, where a guy has a gun to his head, and the cops tell him to drop the gun, so he starts to lower the gun then gets shot for 'making a furtive movement'... or are you still holding the gun to his head, and they shoot him for not following instructions and being armed.

Again, the cop came in their flying off the handle, not deescalating the situation, only making things worse, and then shot the guy when less lethal was deployed.

Sure, let's say that he was startled by a loud noise and pull the trigger. It was still a bad shoot.

Come on now, you can't say maybe what if to justify lethal Force. If that's the case, just walk up to anybody on your traffic stop shooting in the back of the head, you know, to make sure you can go home at the end of the day. You never know, they might have been the one to shoot you first. They might have had a bomb in the trunk and then were waiting for you to approach the vehicle before they exploded it.

That's ludicrous.

Your analogy is pathetic.

A better analogy is a man in a car who calls police with suicidal ideations, he is speeding down the hwy endangering cops, himself, and others. He's given several chances and clear instructions to stop and pull over. He REFUSES to comply. Police are forced to stop him with violence of action.

I sincerely believe you would do yourself some good by looking at these sitautions as follows -

1. Who created the situation? Were the cops out looking for a fight or responding to a "man with a weapon" call or similar highly tense situation?
2. Did the police give ample reasonable opportunties for the perp to stop doing what he was doing before shooting him?
3. Did the cops have reasonable fear for their safety, safety of public, etc?
4. Did the cops have other reasonable courses of action?

How it applies -
* In the swatter call in Kansas, the LEOs were totally wrong.
* In this case, I don't see the cops as wrong.