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 Cerberus Training Group - Muzzle Brakes 
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I have been researching the residual effects of gunfire in general, as my wife swears I have selective hearing...but then I've been on the range now for close to 30 years. The research was not only about the obvious; hearing, but inner ear organ damage as well...that being the spiral cavity of the inner ear containing sensory organs which produce nerve impulses in response to sound vibrations.

This came about the week before Christmas where I was co-teaching a group of LE folks. One student had a brake that would not only just about make a person's knees buckle, but physically pick them up and move them 5 yards with every shot. OK, maybe not 5 yards, but you get the picture.

In discussing the issue with some hearing specialists, doubling up on hearing protection with both ear plugs and muffs may not be enough. The concussion alone can cause symptoms of traumatic brain injury if exposed for long periods and/or consistent exposure.

With that in mind, I have made a decision about about muzzle brakes at not only the Cerberus Training Group facility, but anywhere I instruct. I know this may cause some to bypass training with my company, but feel it best for the long term health and safety concerns of my students, as well as the distraction they create in providing a positive learning environment.

Muzzle Brakes : Due to the possible long term residual effects of their use, from not only the decibel level, but also from the concussion which can lead to possible damage of the inner ear containing an organ which produces nerve impulses in response to sound vibrations, we are no longer allowing them on the range.

If you remove your brake prior to arriving at our facility, I have standard flash hiders to use at no cost to you. Let me know ahead of time.

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Interesting. In our environment where we're typically shooting side by side, I think I like this.

I get it, a brake on your 50BMG is maybe a good thing. However, I think we've gone too far with the brakes on typical ARs and AKs . . . guns that make a lot of noise, but don't really have a lot of recoil. I think it's sometimes seen as "cool" to have a brake that will rattle the people next to you. Yeah, it's fun/funny the first time or two, but it gets old really quickly.

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Thats disappointing. I run VG6s on all of my rifles, they dramatically decrease muzzle rise and make follow up shots on target almost effortless.

Do they rock the brain in all directions? Yup, but once my friends (same friends complaining about concussion) tried my rifle guess what muzzle device they put on their rifles.

Also... People say ARs/AKs don't have a lot of recoil. In my observations, those people usually have a lot of cushion on their shoulders, lolololol.

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My newest build, which I've put about 1,000 rounds thru it...has mid-length gas, the Vltor A5 buffer system and an A2 muzzle. It's the most flat recoiling rifle I have.

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the A2 birdcage is amazing, simple, and quite effective. i get that dedicated muzzle brakes make things a little easier, and that being said, i do have a pinned brake on my m4 clones.

also, whoever you talked to is definitely right. the concussion alone can damage your ear, but mostly only if you are constantly and consistently exposed to those forces. which it definitely sounds like you are.
what would you say to those people like me who have a 14.5" barrel with a pinned muzzle brake? i have the dead air keymount on pretty much all my rifles...


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I have a Lantac Dragon muzzle brake with a BMD. The BMD directs the muzzle blast forward. Still a no go?


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Would you repeat that? I couldn't hear you through my tinnitus. (I'm only half joking) I used an A2 or a Smith Enterprises Vortex on my guns that I lost in the fire.

My friends love their brakes and they beat me up when we go shooting together, so I'm sympathetic.

Too bad the hearing protection act hasn't gotten passed.

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UpDog wrote:
Thats disappointing. I run VG6s on all of my rifles, they dramatically decrease muzzle rise and make follow up shots on target almost effortless.

Do they rock the brain in all directions? Yup, but once my friends (same friends complaining about concussion) tried my rifle guess what muzzle device they put on their rifles.

Also... People say ARs/AKs don't have a lot of recoil. In my observations, those people usually have a lot of cushion on their shoulders, lolololol.

Since you run VG6s, you also might want to try the CAGE: https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/VG6-Pr ... 6-cage.htm


Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:59 pm
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Mr. Q wrote:
what would you say to those people like me who have a 14.5" barrel with a pinned muzzle brake? i have the dead air keymount on pretty much all my rifles...


I am not familiar with every muzzle device made. If the brake on a students rifle is close to the output of an A2, then you're good to go. If I need to see an oral surgeon to reset my teeth after shooting with you, then there's you're clue. And I really think anyone with a brake can make that honest assessment.

I have been around a few brakes where the output was very close to an A2 so much that I couldn't tell.

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