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Chinese Wuhan coronavirus aka COVID-19 - now in WA
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A.O.
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Location: Tacoma :( Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2011 Posts: 2529
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Allergy symptoms are horrid this season. I have had 3 friends go to the hospital because of allergies. This is the first year I have felt the effects as well.
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| Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:20 am |
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Massivedesign
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38379
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leadcounsel wrote: Well to my knowledge, the CV19 has killed more American in about 2 months than 10 years of the Vietnam war managed to kill. Over 59,000 as I type this. Stop using skewed stats and scare phrases, you are not Bloomberg or Gifford. It's killed more in 2 months than gun deaths in 12.. You can't compare those stats unless you are willing to look at the larger picture, which will defeat your stat. Quick lookup showed 52,280 US Deaths in Vietnam, and that is out of how many soldiers that went over there? Per USWarDogs.org 2.7 million Americans served in Vietnam. That's a fatality rate of almost 2% of those who served, died. The problem you are going to have is to PROVE how many people have been infected with Corona (I.e., served). If we are to believe NY that 14% of people are infected, that blows your claim out of the water. If you try and claim that we should only count current known infections, then you are a Bloomberg.
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| Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:38 am |
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danoh
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Massivedesign wrote: leadcounsel wrote: Well to my knowledge, the CV19 has killed more American in about 2 months than 10 years of the Vietnam war managed to kill. Over 59,000 as I type this. Stop using skewed stats and scare phrases, you are not Bloomberg or Gifford. It's killed more in 2 months than gun deaths in 12.. You can't compare those stats unless you are willing to look at the larger picture, which will defeat your stat. Quick lookup showed 52,280 US Deaths in Vietnam, and that is out of how many soldiers that went over there? Per USWarDogs.org 2.7 million Americans served in Vietnam. That's a fatality rate of almost 2% of those who served, died. The problem you are going to have is to PROVE how many people have been infected with Corona (I.e., served). If we are to believe NY that 14% of people are infected, that blows your claim out of the water. If you try and claim that we should only count current known infections, then you are a Bloomberg. Let me be the first to say...... "Thank you", for your excellent and to the point post.
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CQBgopher
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quick break for station identification. LC Radio are the opinions of a professional arguer, aka an attorney. Valid, invalid, muddy, fuzzy, accurate, inaccurate, Bloomberg, Gifford, Stalin, Rather, Huntley, Brinkley, Cronkite, Brokaw, Jennings, or 3rd hand rumor from the Waste Mgmt driver by proxy thru the nosy U.S. Navy Master Chief retired neighbor, it's kinda like,You'll never win. Back in 4, 3, 2, 1, ON AIR
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| Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:23 am |
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Pvanderzee
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Massivedesign wrote: If you try and claim that we should only count current known infections, then you are a Bloomberg. I want to push back on this point just a bit. Thus far, it's been rather hard to actually get a test. At least in the places I've heard of (Skagit Co. among them) you had to have both a set of symptoms and, at least in this county, until recently, a suspected exposure. If you didn't meet one of those two criteria, you didn't get a test at all. This leaves a lot of unknown. It isn't fear mongering to say we have no idea how widespread the virus is outside of known cases, it's just the truth. There hasn't been adequate testing, and testing of the right kind, to determine how widespread it is. We've got educated guesses by very smart people, but they are guesses all the same. Decisions have to be made on best available data. The number of unknown infections is, as the name implies, unknown and unavailable. We're still new to this bug, and, as such, making assumptions on unknowns is risky. Drive-through testing is starting up here in Skagit, I would assume it's starting in other places, too, but negative tests aren't worth much, since the moment the person tested leaves the testing site, the test result is no longer current. Movement on another front, though. I've been watching Dose of Dr. Drew every couple days, and he keeps making noise about how the vast majority of the patients he's seen die have had not just underlying conditions, but a specific flavor. Metabolic problems, to be specific. Overweight, pre-diabetic or diabetic, being malnourished from a shitty diet, etc. I'll look around for anything that backs that up, but if the medical community can determine precisely who is at the most risk, it'd give some insight on how the bug works.
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Pvanderzee
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Here's a couple things I found on a quick hunt that support the idea that metabolic problems might mean infections hit you harder. https://www.touchendocrinology.com/insi ... to-ignore/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7150529/
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| Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:53 am |
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Old Growth
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Mediumrarechicken wrote: leadcounsel wrote: Now that more research has come out, I'm suspecting that at least one of my dogs and I had the Coronavirus.
I had a handful of symptoms that didn't feel like any illness I've ever had. I was sick for months, up and down with symptom severity. And I read an article today where a US dog is the first to test positive. Symptoms included loss of appetite.
My older dog is normally EXTREMELY food motivated. Yet about a month or so ago, she totally shut down with no energy and zero interest in food for about 36 hours. Very strange behavior. She also had a couple days of vomiting, which is unusual for her but she has done that a few times in her life when she eats and drinks too much too fast and vomits.
My other dog had some symptoms but those could be other illness so can't say.
I'd say there's a fair chance we got it in my household. Hypochondriacish. You are so adamant about this virus, that you let it invade your life. How many dogs have been hit with it in this country? Magically one of the most vocal person about this virus has dogs that got it.. I wonder what the vet charges to put a canine on a pantilator?
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Selador
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It's ok for some to extrapolate, as long as it makes chi-na virus seem scarier.
But it's not ok to extrapolate if it brings the narrative into the realm of common sense and liberty.
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jackass
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Subject: Chinese Wuhan coronavirus aka COVID-19 - now in WAleadcounsel wrote: That long video circulating, that Google keeps pulling down, is for good reason. They are apparently frauds with an agenda. You're impugning their professional reputation because you disagree with them? Being in the legal arena, I'm sure you're aware of the serious allegations you make. Fraudulent in what way? What proof? If you're looking for conflict of interest, has Dr Fauci received money from outside government? Like who? Could this cloud his judgement or behavior? There was recently a thread taken down in that you IMO correctly surmised that some remarks could be untrue. Could you weigh using the same criteria you now use in your characterization of these professional, board certified, doctors working in the field giving their own opinion of the landscape based on their personal, hands on observations and experience that you lack?
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| Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:49 am |
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jackass
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leadcounsel wrote: I'm not a medical professional. I have not watched the long video.
Again, haven't watched it. I've seen/heard the content is bunk. You say you rely on unknown outside expertise to guide your opinion. I recommend you do some research.
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| Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:52 am |
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Mediumrarechicken
Location: Puyallup Joined: Thu Aug 16, 2012 Posts: 9063
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Selador wrote: It's ok for some to extrapolate, as long as it makes chi-na virus seem scarier.
But it's not ok to extrapolate if it brings the narrative into the realm of common sense and liberty. Yes. Blinders dont only work on horses.
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usrifle
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danoh wrote: Massivedesign wrote: leadcounsel wrote: Well to my knowledge, the CV19 has killed more American in about 2 months than 10 years of the Vietnam war managed to kill. Over 59,000 as I type this. Stop using skewed stats and scare phrases, you are not Bloomberg or Gifford. It's killed more in 2 months than gun deaths in 12.. You can't compare those stats unless you are willing to look at the larger picture, which will defeat your stat. Quick lookup showed 52,280 US Deaths in Vietnam, and that is out of how many soldiers that went over there? Per USWarDogs.org 2.7 million Americans served in Vietnam. That's a fatality rate of almost 2% of those who served, died. The problem you are going to have is to PROVE how many people have been infected with Corona (I.e., served). If we are to believe NY that 14% of people are infected, that blows your claim out of the water. If you try and claim that we should only count current known infections, then you are a Bloomberg. Let me be the first to say...... "Thank you", for your excellent and to the point post. 
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Gman
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Selador wrote: It's ok for some to extrapolate, as long as it makes chi-na virus seem scarier.
But it's not ok to extrapolate if it brings the narrative into the realm of common sense and liberty. Nailed it. I keep hearing Vietnam being used in the statistics by the leftist MSM, and parroted by some individuals in forums (not just this one). Did someone say we can get drafted into Covid-19? Holy non sequitur, Batman. It's a totally irrelevant number related to the conversation.
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jackass
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leadcounsel wrote: Serious question, not being argumentative.
Have you critically thought about, and watched the videos coming from China, why/where a grand scale human and animal catastrophy is unfolding? The "over-reaction" if it's just a bad flu?
When was the last time nations were locked down in large scale over a worry about the flu? This is larger than H1N1, swine flu, MERS, SARS, etc. IIRC. (From 2/19) Looking back, I think we were played. Perfect propaganda. Remember the Great Firewall of China? Yet leaked videos of the carnage and suffering got out. Why wasn't Shanghai or Beijing hit? Yeah sure, there was a virus of some sort exacerbated by the poor living conditions of the Chinese (dirty air, bad food, unhygienic conditions), and it went here, exacerbated by the poor health of Americans (obesity, smoking, diabetes, aged). But those videos got us and the rest of the world freaked out. Since there are multiple strains here, that attack different portions of our body, e.g. lungs, heart, testicles, could these have been seeded here? Like a murder, who benefits? I think it was a good idea to collect everything into one thread, it's great for historical purposes and looking back.
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Liddlebit81
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Like the movie “rush hour” tagline, “follow the rich white man”:) who benefits the most from this pandemic? Chinese communist gov, msm, you name it...
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