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Okay, I almost +1'd half a dozen of the last posts. I think we need to take this to the collective next level. Are we able to vote on our sponsorship? I think we need to hear from our admins on this, gentlemen? And Steve?

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Why would you even think this?
You are not an owner.
What if you owned a gas station and everyone just decided they didn't want you to sell Shell oil?
It's your company, are you going to let someone from the outside tell you what to sell?
I do not donate to gas stations that provide services to me. Is WGO a company? Excuse my ignorant ways. We ARE the inside. Are you implying we convene in a communist state here? Or does the input and voice of some concerned members have no say?? Why would you think differently? I trust in our "owners", as you put it, to allow us to enjoy our shell gas, OR to cherish the values that the "customers" on the "outside" as you put it again, value.

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You pay for a membership that allows you to use a companies services/property/equipment, just like a membership at a gym or Costco. Websites are private property and generally the owners allow the public limited access to them in a way that benefits the company or the website's owners.
I dont speak for the owner's of any website, but if people disagree with how a website or business is operated they're always free to leave.

Unless you're planning to replace the lost funds from advertising either directly or through increasing membership costs I suspect you won't be getting much of a say in how a website that you don't own is run.


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I feel another thread is on it's way down the crapper due to sand in peoples v**'s.

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NWRed wrote:
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Okay, I almost +1'd half a dozen of the last posts. I think we need to take this to the collective next level. Are we able to vote on our sponsorship? I think we need to hear from our admins on this, gentlemen? And Steve?

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Why would you even think this?
You are not an owner.
What if you owned a gas station and everyone just decided they didn't want you to sell Shell oil?
It's your company, are you going to let someone from the outside tell you what to sell?
I do not donate to gas stations that provide services to me. Is WGO a company? Excuse my ignorant ways. We ARE the inside. Are you implying we convene in a communist state here? Or does the input and voice of some concerned members have no say?? Why would you think differently? I trust in our "owners", as you put it, to allow us to enjoy our shell gas, OR to cherish the values that the "customers" on the "outside" as you put it again, value.

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You pay for a membership that allows you to use a companies services/property/equipment, just like a membership at a gym or Costco. Websites are private property and generally the owners allow the public limited access to them in a way that benefits the company or the website's owners.
I dont speak for the owner's of any website, but if people disagree with how a website or business is operated they're always free to leave.

Unless you're planning to replace the lost funds from advertising either directly or through increasing membership costs I suspect you won't be getting much of a say in how a website that you don't own is run.

Well I hear that. But that is assuming I am alone in this opinion. I was affirming others opinions within my own... Not my intent to spark anything more than what I said. Just as the president has the power to veto anything signed by congress, the admins can say frack off to whatever. And this is why voting does nothing anywhere.


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FattyKrack wrote:
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FattyKrack wrote:
Okay, I almost +1'd half a dozen of the last posts. I think we need to take this to the collective next level. Are we able to vote on our sponsorship? I think we need to hear from our admins on this, gentlemen? And Steve?

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Why would you even think this?
You are not an owner.
What if you owned a gas station and everyone just decided they didn't want you to sell Shell oil?
It's your company, are you going to let someone from the outside tell you what to sell?
I do not donate to gas stations that provide services to me. Is WGO a company? Excuse my ignorant ways. We ARE the inside. Are you implying we convene in a communist state here? Or does the input and voice of some concerned members have no say?? Why would you think differently? I trust in our "owners", as you put it, to allow us to enjoy our shell gas, OR to cherish the values that the "customers" on the "outside" as you put it again, value.

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You pay for a membership that allows you to use a companies services/property/equipment, just like a membership at a gym or Costco. Websites are private property and generally the owners allow the public limited access to them in a way that benefits the company or the website's owners.
I dont speak for the owner's of any website, but if people disagree with how a website or business is operated they're always free to leave.

Unless you're planning to replace the lost funds from advertising either directly or through increasing membership costs I suspect you won't be getting much of a say in how a website that you don't own is run.

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I think you on the list my friend. :Admin: <-- replace the top with NSA


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I feel another thread is on it's way down the crapper due to sand in peoples v**'s.
The sand hurts and is abrasive. Luckily it cleanses itself.

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Listen boys and girls I think people may be going a bit off the deep end here.

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hotSAUCE wrote:
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Huh? :bonghit:

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That one that says "From my cold dead hands..... will require a background check"


He who does not punish evil commands it to be done. --- Leonardo DaVinci

When its time to go in:
That place of steel and stone. I pray that you will keep me safe, so I will not walk alone. Help me to do my duty, please watch me on my rounds.
Amongst those perilous places and slamming steel door sounds. God, keep my fellow Officers well and free from harm. Let them know I'll be there too, whenever there's alarm.
Above all when I walk my beat, no matter where I roam. Let me go back whence I came, to family and home

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Wtf I never posted that...

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hotSAUCE wrote:
Wtf I never posted that...

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Ya I will drink to that :ROFLMAO: :cheers2:

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That one that says "From my cold dead hands..... will require a background check"


He who does not punish evil commands it to be done. --- Leonardo DaVinci

When its time to go in:
That place of steel and stone. I pray that you will keep me safe, so I will not walk alone. Help me to do my duty, please watch me on my rounds.
Amongst those perilous places and slamming steel door sounds. God, keep my fellow Officers well and free from harm. Let them know I'll be there too, whenever there's alarm.
Above all when I walk my beat, no matter where I roam. Let me go back whence I came, to family and home

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Hold on, what is this thread about?

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sinus211 wrote:
Hold on, what is this thread about?


It was all about me almost spending a bunch of money in the most convenient gun shop for my travels.

Guess I'll keep looking...

OK

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From the sellers perspective, I could see where a "no refunds for denials" would chase off the riff raff who arent sure they'll pass a background check. Kind of like LEEDs huge "Law Enforcement ONLY" sign on their door.

SCREW THAT. Those that know Marine know he is not a felon, no restraining orders etc. Yet he somehow got a Denied, obviously shit happens, mistakes are made.

I can understand a shop having a "fee" because there are assclowns out there that know they should not have a firearm, but try anyway and waste employees time, but keeping an entire sale amount is bullshit.


You may think it's bullshit but what exactly is your time worth as a licensed FFL? Your merchandise is tied up until the appeal portion is over with. If the buyer is cleared they get their gun. I'll assume it's covered in the written contract SAA makes you sign before the purchase?

If it's known beforehand that DENIALS will result in foreiture of the purchase amount after 30 days ( or whatever their policy is regarding appeals) it's going to cut down on people who KNOW they'll get denials and lose all their money. I'll assume there's follow up paperwork on the FFLs part regarding denials.

If it's an incorrect denial, it'll be cleared up IF the person being denied gets it straightened out.

I get passed on for further review and a delay 90% of the time I buy a firearm from a FFL. I suspect so day it'll come back as DENIED due to whatever issue is connected to my highly uncommon name and I'll have to get a UPIN and get it cleared up.

Every industry has shitty employees, it's unavoidable unless you're using those do it yourself kiosks. As I said contact James,the owner, I assumed from the original post it was the downtown store, I have no idea who the manager of the Lakewood store is.
At he very least make him aware one of his employees is an asshole unneccesarily.


Unless SAA changed their terms it is not in there that they keep the entire amount, Only a substantial FFL fee is kept as the deterant. That is how it should be for exactly this reason, what appears to be an employee screw up that causes a denial. I never said it was not right to have a FFL fee, but keeping an entire amount is rediculous.
I have purchased a number of guns from SAA, always from Chester, I WAS loyal to the store because I was Loyal to him. HOWEVER the overwhelming number of times we have all heard about extremely poor customer service bear the truth of the company and it's owners/managers. They are egotistical and arrogant people that think their shit don't stink and can do whatever they want. Unfortunately they in the past have catered to LEO and treat them right so manage to have a successful business to this point thru that.

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OK, let me address the advertising or "supporter" question.

First, I want to assure you that we do have a process where we make a judgment call about those who advertise on WaGuns. Whenever we have a new advertiser or someone whose advertisement is due to be renewed (they pay in advance), we have a conversation about whether this business is one that we want to have represented on our site. We have declined to renew one advertiser in the past, so we aren't afraid to exercise that option if it's the right thing to do.

The next time that Surplus comes up for renewal, as with any advertiser, we will have that conversation among the admins. This thread, and other experiences both positive and negative, will be discussed and considered. There is nothing here that would make me consider canceling their advertising mid-contract, though.

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