Had a nice chat with UnknownGhost about this last night. There is definitely some info that is left out of the attention grabbing headlines.

Ug mentioned that there are two sides to every story... And that may be a decent way of looking at it, it seems to me that there are more likely to be two Agendas to every story.
Folks on both sides intentionally misrepresent their side of the story in such a way as to emphasize their own innocence and magnify anything that helps make the other side look foolish or wrong.

And don't send Dan your phone number if it's a company phone. The company took away my Crackberry when someone saw all the pics he was sending.

Hey, you liked them regardless. Just don't get caught again, loser.


..but ya, two agendas to every story is a good way to put it. For those who care, the defendant was on a less-traveled road, literally in the middle of nowhere, that is commonly used by smugglers to get from a rather remote border crossing (Douglas, AZ) across the AZ/NM state lines to avoid the state border check on I-10. She also claimed to be from Tucson, and was coming from Bisbee...no not Bisbee, Douglas. Ya, Douglas after doing some shopping, and was on her way back to Tucson. Which, for those not familiar with the geography of that area, would be like being from Seattle, and decided to go shopping in Oroville, no not Oroville, Winthrop. Ya, Winthrop and then going back to Seattle via HWY 12 over White Pass. Not quite that far apart but you catch the drift.

Not to mention Douglas is a slightly sketchy border town full of things that may or may not be legal depending on your residence but they do have a cool flea market.

...and, she refused to roll her window down for the Border Patrol officer to look in the rear seat of her truck.....and she had a K-9 sniff out her weed, AND she was charged with possession with INTENT to distribute, which means she had more than necessary for "personal use" ....and the whole reason for her court claim was to throw out her weed charges based on "unreasonable search"


..that's just the start of it.

Uh huh...

So....

The PC for the stop was...........? Driving in a remote area??

The conflicting stories didn't start until AFTER she was stopped....

The officer spotted a vehicle, going the other direction, on a remote highway, and noticed, @ 120 MPH, that the driver had acne, THROUGH the dark tint, that she was sitting up properly with her hands @ 10 and 2, and that she had out of state license plates........

And that's enough to stop someone?

Yeah..ok...

Border Patrol vehicle passed defendant vehicle at 60mph. Not 120.

A few points:

• Remote, rather isolated highway section in New Mexico, coming from a border town in Arizona, with no border crossings or border checkpoints. Most traffic is local ranchers, New Mexico residents on their way to and from I-10, tourists, truckers coming from Douglas, and, unfortunately, smugglers.
• Single, female occupant of vehicle, a F-150 crew cab, driving "by the book" in a rather stiff posture. This is easy to see when passing on a two lane road, particularly through windshield of a full-size pickup in a sunny area like southwestern New Mexico, even at twilight.
• Vehicle in question was slowing down as "cop car" approached.
• Vehicle had out-of-state plates.
• Vehicle had peculiar window tint. Not illegal, just odd. Odd enough for a cop in border country whose job is it to patrol the border to take notice.

So. None of that may be odd in part, but considering the area and circumstance. Let's check a couple other things here.

• Travel was on a Wednesday, at 7:45pm. Border Patrol shift change happens between 6pm-8pm. This is twilight in that area, and also a great time for people with ill intent to sneak around under the radar. There is proof of this and not an "opinion"
• When BP officer turned around and caught back up to the vehicle, then vehicle was noted to have sped back up, but applied the brakes and slowed down when BP approached from rear.
• Officer thinks, why is a female driving alone--from what he can see--on her way from Arizona to New Mexico on a weekday evening in the middle of nowhere in a truck with Arizona plates?

BP decided to make a stop.

• Driver appeared very nervous. Sure, single female alone, cop at window, middle of nowhere. OK, understandable. Officer asked for paperwork, and asked where the driver started her trip. She said Bisbee. No, not Bisbee. Douglas. Ya, Douglas. OK, not sure where you're coming from? Misremembered the "script"? red flag.
• Officer noted driver has facial acne scars, and acne consistent with that of someone who uses meth. Now, he's not a doctor, or a drug use expert, no. But he's seen a time or two--as well as all of us--what a meth user's face looks like. It's different than just having bad acne. We all know this. This isn't a secret.
• When asked where heading to? Responded Tuscon. Mind you she's driving to the northeast and Tucson is to the northwest of Douglas. She is going in the opposite direction of Tucson. OK, cool, maybe she has friends along the way, right? But if she's so nervous due to being alone in the desert with a cop, why is she willingly driving way the hell out of her way to get home without a reasonable story as to why? Way out of her way, look at the map. red flag #2
• Officer asks to open the rear door to look in back seat of truck because he can't see through the tint. Driver responds with No.
• When officer attempts to give back papers to driver, driver rolls down window 1/2".
• Driver quizzes officer I thought you were letting me go? Do you think I'm transported aliens? red flags #3, 4, 5, 6, 7...

Officer calls for backup. K-9 shows up, sniffs out weed. Enough for an arrest based on intent to distribute.

Where here was the unreasonable anything? I'm not a fan of overzealous LE but in that area of the country, there is some serious shit going on and there are reasons why Border Patrol, Customs, etc do a lot of searches "40 miles" from the border. If a person can't figure out why, well......and remember, if this truck was full of 8,000 pounds of weed, heroin, and a couple illegals, it never would've made the news. Which was probably the case with the last 7 vehicles that were stopped for similar suspicion under similar circumstance by this BP officer on this same road, with stops that went down the same way.

*edit* here is the court case. I encourage everyone to read it unbiasedly and post your own opinions.

Owned. Damn.

Vehicles were driving in opposite directions, so, yes, 120 MPH....

Herein lies the problem...

The stop was a fishing expedition, pure and simple, and without cause.

'Weird tint' and proper driving, in the evening, are not reasons to pull someone over.

That's like saying because I drive a military vehicle, near a military base, I must be trying to infiltrate it.. Well, better stop him to check him out...

Doesn't matter if they found 30 kilos of coke in the truck, the stop was still bad, and the JUDGE allowed a bad stop to be entered into evidence.

Second, once she was free to go, you can NOT then detain someone long enough to get a drug dog.... THAT has been ruled on many times..

Third, well....





How many other 'suspicious' cars has BP pulled over that result in nothing, that go NOWHERE because they were never charged with a crime, and didn't want the hassle of fighting a corrupt judicial system?




The ends do NOT justify the means. Yet, somehow, the courts keep siding with tyranny, against the constitution.

First off.....at the time of my reply, approximately 4:51pm PST on 02MAY2014, nobody else has DL'd the case pdf I posted, except for me, done during my test after initial post.....so any rebuttal is being done so without reading the facts of the case. Unless they retrieved said documents from another source, which I doubt. Just saying, for those following along here....



I see, you meant 120mph rate of closure. Understood, but that is well within the speed for a trained law enforcement officer, or anyone with an IQ above 80 for that matter, to observe behavior through the windshield of a full size pickup.



No, it was a stop on suspicion based on a variety of isolated things that, when put together, gave the officer curiosity. Curiosity in this case warranted a traffic stop, which resulted in a drug arrest.



Proper driving, no. Driving in the evening, no. 'Weird tint', yes. We don't know exactly what the front door windows were tinted to, the police report does not say, nor does the court case. Chances of it being too dark are possible. Based on local rules of course.



No, it would be more like if you changed your behavior when you noticed a law enforcement officer, in an area where illegal activity is common, while driving a vehicle that was peculiar looking enough to warrant suspicion, or acted in a way that brought unnecessary attention to yourself, in an area where such actions are consistent with the previously patterned behavior of people who break the law. Which, is exactly what the girl in the truck did.



Would you want her let go if they did?



She was never free to go.....as she refused to allow the officer to look in the back seat of her truck. That is one of the undisputed facts in the case, which you would know already had you read the file I attached.



Dogs don't aler.......really? *smh* More sensationalism.




Quite a few, in that area. Multiples per day, but you'd be amazed at what they find. It's kinda part of the deal living in that area.





Ever stop to think that if the driver would've been a better liar that she would've driven away with no problems? Ever notice the people who do the 1/2" window down I KNOW MY RIGHTS thing usually always end up showing their "papers" anyhow? Ever notice how fast the ones who had nothing to hide get left alone and told "have a good day" shortly thereafter? See the pattern I'm trying to get at here?

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being from arizona, i can say i've been pulled over for having several gym bags inside my vehicle. a BP SUV pulls along side of me while traveling along eastbound i-10 in SE arizona, they're begin looking at what's in my backseat, they get behind me, pull me over, sometimes called for a DPS trooper for assistance, asked me a bunch of questions, asked if they could search my vehicle, i say "yes" since i have nothing to hide and very much want to get to my friend's place in silver city, new mexico, a search is being conducted, and i'm let go within a few minutes. they've even helped put all my shit back in the bags.

i see a lot of vehicles and AZ plates during the drive to seattle on a weekly basis. i also see those vehicles hauling ass back south later on in the morning. i often wonder if they're drug runners.

Yeah, screw the police...

...but I ain't keepin' score




My uncle's chemo meds set off their radiation detectors at a checkpoint on I-8 by Glamis. Showed his doc's note, they opened up the trailer, commented nice Banshee I said it would look better with a Border Patrol hat on it and we drove away 15 minutes later after swapping stories about idiots crossing the border in the dunes and racing the agents back to the U.S. side.....with my new muthafuggin hat, yo.



Dollars to donuts, they are homie.

I think Techno would have almost shot someone if he was there

Nah....no way he would've been that far north. Once he got to Douglas and that lil latina girl batted her pretty eyes his way, he would've been a border town lifer and never left Cochise County.

Marijuana? No victim, no crime.


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