I love Audio/video recording. A couple years ago I was pulled over by an unmarked State Patrol vehicle, informed the stop was being audio/video recorded, and a few minutes later cited for passing in a no passing zone. I didn't argue with the Officer. I just thanked him and took the citation. With the information on the citation I contacted the State Patrol and requested a copy of the recording, starting a minute before the stop to a minute after my stop ended. I then took the DVD they sent me to court: to show I wasn't passing in a no passing zone, I was going around an obstacle blocking my lane of traffic (garbage truck with the driver loading garbage in the back of the truck). They didn't even want to look at the DVD. Just that fact that I had it got the ticket thrown out.

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The way I see it, is that everyone believes the "cops" need to be held accountable for their actions. Whatever happened to making the criminal(s) and /or people who broke the law accountable. I would love to hear one of you explain why an officer should be held to this "higher standard". There are bad seeds in every apple, yet we only hear about the bad seeded cop. The President of the United States flat out lies and is kept in office. Our Governor, State Officials, City Mayor's, doctors, lawyer, etc etc etc. lie every day and we keep them in office and these are people we all elect and vote into office. Why aren't they held to this "higher standard"?

My advice to all of you "Monday Morning Quaterbacker's" is apply to become a cop and go make a change. Come talk to me in 5 years and let me know how you feel about this topic.

My two cents!!

Canine and army et al

Canine, we have done business and you are a likable guy and ive enjoyed our conversations. I can only assume you conduct your business in a proper manner. The points you are making are not the ones at issue here necessarily or in past threads

We would all love to see the bad guys get more than they deserve, alot of them are just wired wrong with no hope of fixing or "rehabilitating " them and we as a society spend way too much money and effort on this group. I say nuke em all and we will all be better off

Vigilante justice could certainly be used more often from both civilians and LEO's, again wouldnt hurt my feeling AS LONG AS it is exacted on the correct person and in the correct amount. Fortunately or unfortunately we as a society have decided that there are rules that we ALL have to follow to maintain civil order. THIS PROTECTS EVERYONES RIGHTS. This is where the rub is for me and to a point you mentioned about seeing how we feel after walking in your shoes

The law and its administration is not about how we feel cause i will guarantee you there would be waaaayyyy more dead felons and shitbags if it was about how we feel. Emotions and wheather or not im in a bad mood or had a bad day or just found out a fellow officer is doing my wife, have no place in the administration of civil order as bad and wrong decisions (that can negatively and illegally, read: violate our rights, effect us civilians) are more likely to be made during these times

I think societies biggest gripe is about accountability,severity and a lack of equality when it comes to said "bad seeds". Yes the unions ARE part (yes just a part) of the problem. There has to be a questionable action on someones part before the union becomes involved

Please do not be mistaken and think that that we as a society dont appreciate the job you do. Just dont forget we as a society also expect accountability

dont even get me started on what id like to do to politicians, not sure we have enough time and dollars to hold them accountable for thier actions

Oh one last thing.....if you dare to disagree with me im gonna send my dad over to beat up your dad

Have a damn fine day everyone

Accountability is the key here. For both Police and criminals. I can understand the frustration with wanting to do good and not being able to due to the justice system not cracking down hard enough on scumbags. I can understand maybe putting the boot to the head of a repeat violent offender, child abuser or wife beater when the justice system fails and allows them to run free. I have no issue with bad guys getting what they deserve. I do have an issue with good guys being treated the same way though. I understand that you don't know what type of person you're dealing with until you engage them...sometimes it's already too late for the officer. That's horrible but shouldn't and can't then be turned into an excuse to treat everyone like shit. Now I want to clarify this isn't a blanket statement. This is meant to be individual officer specific. We've all been contacted by an officer in one way or another over the years. We can all tell the officer that loves his job, does it great and has a great interaction with people. I would put you in that category. We've talked enough, done enough deals and I've seen you in action. You are what I would consider a great officer. (remember that if you ever pull me over. LMAO. Just kidding.) We can also tell that officer that takes his job way too seriously, bends or breaks procedure, uses threats and intimidation as a means to get what he wants. THESE are the officers that should be shit canned and not allowed to wear a badge.

It really bothers me that some people ONLY focus on the negative aspects of officers. Who cares about all the good ones right? I've been contacted by great officers and shitty officers. The way they handled themselves directly related to how I handled myself. When I get stopped by, see or read something about a bad officer I do not instantly lump them all together and say "Cops are bad." Just the same as if I see, hear or read about a great officer I don't say "Cops are great." It's always about the OFFICER as an individual.

These LEO bashing, hating constantly pointing out the bad type of threads have really gotten under my skin. I know several officers here on WaGuns and on SGN and every one of them are great guys. Guys I would invited and have invited to my home. I'm genuinely bothered by the fact that some people here feel the need to lump all of you together. It's ironic that they preach "Don't judge all gun owners by the actions of a few" but in that same breath judge all officers by the actions of a few. As far as I'm concerned the threads pointing out the negatives of LEO, constantly, serve no purpose and only alienate our members who are officers. If someone feels the need to spend their day searching the internet for negative police stories not only do I think they should find a better use of their time but they don't need to bring it here. Just as easy as ANYONE on this site can view WaGuns...they can search the web for bad cops. What's next? Do we start posting all the stories of rapists, murderers, chimo's, etc? I as an adult am fully capable of doing my own research. I don't need someone with too much time on their hands to continually find and post stories that alienate a specific group of what I would consider valuable members.

I'm so beyond DONE with the topics involving LEO bashing. We need to move on as a site and make our LEO and MIL members feel welcome and give them the respect they deserve if they deserve it.

So.....

How is protecting good officers from false allegations and catching bad officers doing shady stuff 'bashing'?

My problem is, they'll get turned off or 'malfunction' when they know they fuck up, just as dash cams do..

A reporter got pulled over by 20 cop cars, after following a county executive who was engaged in stealing money from the county.....The reporters were not hiding, not suspicious, and it was obvious that they were a news team.. They pulled all of the people out at gunpoint, injured one of the reporters shoulders... and magically... the cameras were 'not turned on, or malfunctioned' ... which was complete BS, because I set those cameras up, and they ALL come on when emergency lighting is activated. You can't tell me that all 20 cameras just so happened to malfunction at the same time...

Herein lies the problem... Just like gun laws... only the good guys will get ensnared.. The good cop who drops an F bomb during a tense situation will get fired, and the corrupt cop who turns off his camera or has it 'malfunction' while beating the crap out of someone, will stay on the force.

^^^ This. So very much this. Some agencies seem to be actively cultivating an us-versus-them attitude (if the news stories are in any way representative of their actions) but those in my little quadrant of the state don't appear to be among them. In fact, very few in all of WA are among them.

My interactions with LEO around here - that would actually be WA and OR both - have been pleasant and professional. On the occasions I've disclosed that I'm armed (and it's always been my choice, never a response to a question), there have been zero fucks given all around. Most of the officers in the local agencies have a pretty pro-2A stance. Hell, last year Arlington PD took a group of citizens up to Norpoint for an intro session on shooting and the firearms and less-lethal tools the department uses.

A few local agencies seem to have systemic problems that need fixing. But I'd be hard pressed to lump every cop into the "shitty cop" category because most are good people. I expect LEOs to conduct themselves with integrity. When that doesn't happen, I expect them to be held accountable. It's the same thing I expect from doctors, pilots, and other professionals who hold people's lives in their hands. Yes, it's a higher standard. It's also a reasonable standard considering their position.

So let me get this straight. You're on a crusade to bring bad cops to justice while absolving good cops of potential bullshit reports and lies?...Yet you have an issue with outfitting cops with lapel cameras in an attempt to do just that? So by your line of thinking dash cams and lapel cams should just be eliminated because they "might" get turned off or "malfunction?" That line of thinking sounds vaguely familiar...ah yes.."we should require universal background checks or ban guns because someone "might" use one to shoot another person. Sounds logical.

DDAANN!! WHERE'S my /popcorn dammmitt!!

Canine, army, toys, ta.. great responses, nice to see people talking thru this stuff.
Personally i have left behind 2local forums because of the blatant LEO bashing and am beyond done with it myself. Saying all leo are bad is no different than antis saying all gun owners are like Adam Lanza

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Who said I was against it? Where did you read that? Anywhere? Even hinted at?

You're making stuff up, pure and simple. I think the cameras are a good idea, to a point.

I said the problem is, that the BAD GUYS will simply not comply, while the good guys COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS. (Sound familiar?)

Meaning that, good cop has an honest slip up, and is dragged over the coals because it's on video... and bad cop has his camera 'malfunction during a violent struggle', and gets off from beating the crap out of someone, because he smashed his camera into the ground after he beat the crap out of them,knowing the evidence would cause him his career.

The same thing happens with dash cams now... The good cop who drives a block out of his beat to get a coffee during a break gets nailed to the wall because it's on video, while the cop who rapes a girl in the back seat of his cruiser has a 'malfunction' of his camera and there's no evidence of any rape.

Really, so we get Coffee smiley, but still no popcorn?

Statements like this only serve to demonstrate the depth of your delusions. Before you rattle off some explanation about how it's an "extreme example," trust me, we get it. It just worries me that people with such vivid imaginations and obvious lack of respect for police officers are firearms owners.

Actually, that really just happened recently in Texas. The rape, not sure on the camera.

And L.A. ...but that was a couple months back.

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