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Outfitting of Officers with Body Cams
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lamrith
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Location: Tacoma/Puyallup Joined: Tue May 8, 2012 Posts: 4330
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TechnoWeenie wrote: dan360 wrote: sinus211 wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: while the cop who rapes a girl in the back seat of his cruiser has a 'malfunction' of his camera and there's no evidence of any rape. Statements like this only serve to demonstrate the depth of your delusions. Before you rattle off some explanation about how it's an "extreme example," trust me, we get it. It just worries me that people with such vivid imaginations and obvious lack of respect for police officers are firearms owners. Actually, that really just happened recently in Texas. The rape, not sure on the camera. And L.A. ...but that was a couple months back. Sent from my Atari 2600  Seriously, you are going to bring LAPD into this? Can't exactly compare LA to an honest respectable police force, apples and peanuts comparison. Simply the worst PD I have ever seen or heard of, they are what got the whole LEO bashing thing started with from the beginning. I was in LA during the whole Rodney King fiasco, those clowns made it dangerous to be a white person in SoCal. Using them as your benchmark for LE behavior or even a guideline or measuring factor at all for LE in general is pure ignorance. They are by far the exception and I would rank them the bottom 1% of departments. I can and do take issue with people using them as a backdrop to say all or most LE are bad. In case you missed it(. Lamrith wrote: Saying all leo are bad is no different than antis saying all gun owners are like Adam Lanza FYI, even without video rape leaves evidence. Saying it can be turned off is a piss poor reason to not implement the cameras. Your gun could jam when you try to use it to stop an attack, so why have a gun? You could miss your target in an emergency situation, so why carry a gun? Better yet you should not be allowed to carry one because you MIGHT miss. Way to use Anti's same shitty logic. 
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CQBgopher
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LAPD is the police force of the second largest city in the U.S. They are going to be used as a benchmark example no matter what. Unfortunately for them, and for LE as a whole, it's a pretty bad stain.
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XDM9cWA
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dan360 wrote: LAPD is the police force of the second largest city in the U.S. They are going to be used as a benchmark example no matter what. Unfortunately for them, and for LE as a whole, it's a pretty bad stain. and the NYPD isn't doing anything to help that image along either..
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| Sat May 17, 2014 7:54 am |
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TechnoWeenie
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Let me be clear.
I think the cameras would be a net positive, and wouldn't mind them.
I never said it was a bad idea, I was just pointing out the issues with them.
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| Sat May 17, 2014 10:36 am |
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Sinus211
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TechnoWeenie wrote: dan360 wrote: Actually, that really just happened recently in Texas. The rape, not sure on the camera.
And L.A. ...but that was a couple months back. Sent from my Atari 2600 I got "actually'd" Well then, hide yo kids and hide yo husband. They rapin people out here!
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| Sat May 17, 2014 3:31 pm |
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TacticalAssault
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Location: Woodinville Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 4612
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TechnoWeenie wrote: TacticalAssault wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: Quote: I'm so beyond DONE with the topics involving LEO bashing. We need to move on as a site and make our LEO and MIL members feel welcome and give them the respect they deserve if they deserve it. So..... How is protecting good officers from false allegations and catching bad officers doing shady stuff 'bashing'? My problem is, they'll get turned off or 'malfunction' when they know they fuck up, just as dash cams do.. A reporter got pulled over by 20 cop cars, after following a county executive who was engaged in stealing money from the county.....The reporters were not hiding, not suspicious, and it was obvious that they were a news team.. They pulled all of the people out at gunpoint, injured one of the reporters shoulders... and magically... the cameras were 'not turned on, or malfunctioned' ... which was complete BS, because I set those cameras up, and they ALL come on when emergency lighting is activated. You can't tell me that all 20 cameras just so happened to malfunction at the same time... Herein lies the problem... Just like gun laws... only the good guys will get ensnared.. The good cop who drops an F bomb during a tense situation will get fired, and the corrupt cop who turns off his camera or has it 'malfunction' while beating the crap out of someone, will stay on the force. So let me get this straight. You're on a crusade to bring bad cops to justice while absolving good cops of potential bullshit reports and lies?...Yet you have an issue with outfitting cops with lapel cameras in an attempt to do just that? So by your line of thinking dash cams and lapel cams should just be eliminated because they "might" get turned off or "malfunction?" That line of thinking sounds vaguely familiar...ah yes.."we should require universal background checks or ban guns because someone "might" use one to shoot another person. Sounds logical.  Who said I was against it? Where did you read that? Anywhere? Even hinted at? You're making stuff up, pure and simple. I think the cameras are a good idea, to a point. I said the problem is, that the BAD GUYS will simply not comply, while the good guys COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS. (Sound familiar?) Meaning that, good cop has an honest slip up, and is dragged over the coals because it's on video... and bad cop has his camera 'malfunction during a violent struggle', and gets off from beating the crap out of someone, because he smashed his camera into the ground after he beat the crap out of them,knowing the evidence would cause him his career. The same thing happens with dash cams now... The good cop who drives a block out of his beat to get a coffee during a break gets nailed to the wall because it's on video, while the cop who rapes a girl in the back seat of his cruiser has a 'malfunction' of his camera and there's no evidence of any rape.  Pure and simple huh? Nothing is pure and simple with you. What you're saying and HOW you're saying it projects your thoughts. You said once that your concern was that a camera would "malfunction" or otherwise not work. You just said it again. You also said you think the cameras are a good idea. So...which is it? If your concerns are that good cops will get screwed and that bad cops will have a random camera "malfunction" and get away with things they otherwise shouldn't then how can you still think the cameras are a good idea??? If your projected view on it is that good cops will get the shaft and bad cops will still get away with shit then how can you support it? As you said, this is the case with dash cams now. Good cops might get caught slipping up but bad cops will just turn off the camera or park in a way that the contact is out of the cameras range. So are dash cams good or bad? According to what you've said how are lapel pins going to be any better except the possible viewpoint?
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CQBgopher
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sinus211 wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: dan360 wrote: Actually, that really just happened recently in Texas. The rape, not sure on the camera.
And L.A. ...but that was a couple months back. Sent from my Atari 2600 I got "actually'd" Well then, hide yo kids and hide yo husband. They rapin people out here! You didn't get anything. It was a reply to a comment. Would you rather me address you directly?
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| Sun May 18, 2014 3:25 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 19173
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TacticalAssault wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: TacticalAssault wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: [quote]I'm so beyond DONE with the topics involving LEO bashing. We need to move on as a site and make our LEO and MIL members feel welcome and give them the respect they deserve if they deserve it. So..... How is protecting good officers from false allegations and catching bad officers doing shady stuff 'bashing'? My problem is, they'll get turned off or 'malfunction' when they know they fuck up, just as dash cams do.. A reporter got pulled over by 20 cop cars, after following a county executive who was engaged in stealing money from the county.....The reporters were not hiding, not suspicious, and it was obvious that they were a news team.. They pulled all of the people out at gunpoint, injured one of the reporters shoulders... and magically... the cameras were 'not turned on, or malfunctioned' ... which was complete BS, because I set those cameras up, and they ALL come on when emergency lighting is activated. You can't tell me that all 20 cameras just so happened to malfunction at the same time... Herein lies the problem... Just like gun laws... only the good guys will get ensnared.. The good cop who drops an F bomb during a tense situation will get fired, and the corrupt cop who turns off his camera or has it 'malfunction' while beating the crap out of someone, will stay on the force. So let me get this straight. You're on a crusade to bring bad cops to justice while absolving good cops of potential bullshit reports and lies?...Yet you have an issue with outfitting cops with lapel cameras in an attempt to do just that? So by your line of thinking dash cams and lapel cams should just be eliminated because they "might" get turned off or "malfunction?" That line of thinking sounds vaguely familiar...ah yes.."we should require universal background checks or ban guns because someone "might" use one to shoot another person. Sounds logical.  Who said I was against it? Where did you read that? Anywhere? Even hinted at? You're making stuff up, pure and simple. I think the cameras are a good idea, to a point. I said the problem is, that the BAD GUYS will simply not comply, while the good guys COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS. (Sound familiar?) Meaning that, good cop has an honest slip up, and is dragged over the coals because it's on video... and bad cop has his camera 'malfunction during a violent struggle', and gets off from beating the crap out of someone, because he smashed his camera into the ground after he beat the crap out of them,knowing the evidence would cause him his career. The same thing happens with dash cams now... The good cop who drives a block out of his beat to get a coffee during a break gets nailed to the wall because it's on video, while the cop who rapes a girl in the back seat of his cruiser has a 'malfunction' of his camera and there's no evidence of any rape.  Pure and simple huh? Nothing is pure and simple with you. What you're saying and HOW you're saying it projects your thoughts. You said once that your concern was that a camera would "malfunction" or otherwise not work. You just said it again. You also said you think the cameras are a good idea. So...which is it? If your concerns are that good cops will get screwed and that bad cops will have a random camera "malfunction" and get away with things they otherwise shouldn't then how can you still think the cameras are a good idea??? If your projected view on it is that good cops will get the shaft and bad cops will still get away with shit then how can you support it? As you said, this is the case with dash cams now. Good cops might get caught slipping up but bad cops will just turn off the camera or park in a way that the contact is out of the cameras range. So are dash cams good or bad? According to what you've said how are lapel pins going to be any better except the possible viewpoint?[/quote] They're both good and bad. I think the true power is people uploading videos to YouTube and the like.....which is why so many corrupt cops feel 'unsafe' with people recording them. Hell, most officers I know would either welcome it because it will show them doing the right thing, or dislike it because they feel it's disrespectful but ignore it as it is the right of the person filming to continue to do so. Sent from my Atari 2600
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TacticalAssault
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TechnoWeenie wrote: They're both good and bad.
I think the true power is people uploading videos to YouTube and the like.....which is why so many corrupt cops feel 'unsafe' with people recording them.
Hell, most officers I know would either welcome it because it will show them doing the right thing, or dislike it because they feel it's disrespectful but ignore it as it is the right of the person filming to continue to do so.
Sent from my Atari 2600
Excellent reply. Thank you.
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