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This is going to be hilarious. You know, if the ATF cared about the law and stuffs.

tl;dr: Trusts aint people, only people are banned from post 86 MGs.

(The $1, is a Lightning Link after a $200 Form 1.)

[Did not see this posted, if someone did, lock and disregard. I have been golfing in the heat all day.]

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This is extremely interesting...and check out the comments. I followed the comments to this website: http://imgur.com/a/vt2Qz

On page 6, there's a questions of whether a NICS check is required when you buy an NFA item and the answer is "no" - which conflicts with the answer presented in the original blog post. I still don't understand why I needed to pass a NICS check after the BATFE spent a year checking me out and processing my tax stamp.


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The volley gun question/answer is a new one to me.


Fri May 16, 2014 9:59 am
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Rix86 wrote:
The volley gun question/answer is a new one to me.


Me too. I guess if you consider 3 bullets fired at the exact same time as one "shot" or "volley" then it still fits with the idea of "one trigger pull, one shot."

The NFA and GCA need to be completely rewritten...what a mess.


Fri May 16, 2014 11:02 am
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Benja455 wrote:
Rix86 wrote:
The volley gun question/answer is a new one to me.


Me too. I guess if you consider 3 bullets fired at the exact same time as one "shot" or "volley" then it still fits with the idea of "one trigger pull, one shot."

The NFA and GCA need to be completely rewritten abolished...what a mess.


There we go. :thumbsup2:



I hate to be the "outlier" in gun control debates... Because I want everyone to think like me. :bigsmile:

I think the 2A should be defined once and forever- in such a way as to ensure that the civilian population can never be less well armed than the foot soldier (Infrantryman) or law enforcement personnel.
That WAS the intent of the 2nd Amendment, and part of the US Government's argument in the 1939 case United States v Miller http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller

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The U.S Government appealed the decision and on March 30, 1939, the U.S. Supreme Court heard the case. Attorneys for the United States argued four points:

The NFA is intended as a revenue-collecting measure and therefore within the authority of the Department of the Treasury.
The defendants transported the shotgun from Oklahoma to Arkansas, and therefore used it in interstate commerce.
The Second Amendment protects only the ownership of military-type weapons appropriate for use in an organized militia.
The "double barrel 12-gauge Stevens shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches in length, bearing identification number 76230" was never used in any militia organization.

Neither the defendants nor their legal counsel appeared at the Supreme Court. A lack of financial support and procedural irregularities prevented counsel from traveling.[3] Miller was found shot to death in April, before the decision was rendered.[4]


Here's what I think the NFA and GCA act should be "amended" to :

The Natural Right of The People to purchase, sell, keep, and bear arms shall never be taxed, regulated, "permitted" or infringed in any way that may impede free persons from being equally well-armed as any Infrantryman or domestic Law Enforcement personnel. Any such infringement or regulation is in direct opposition to a free society's Right to self-defense and is a sign of lurking tyranny.

Sorry if it's not polished, just off the top of my head.

I am following the Esq. who wrote the blog... I like his thinking.
I'd say "let's run with this" but I want to win- I don't want another letter coming out of ATF that essentially writes more law.

Abolish and redo in the original spirit of the Supreme Law of the Land, the US Constitution.


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PMB wrote:
Benja455 wrote:
Rix86 wrote:
The volley gun question/answer is a new one to me.


Me too. I guess if you consider 3 bullets fired at the exact same time as one "shot" or "volley" then it still fits with the idea of "one trigger pull, one shot."

The NFA and GCA need to be completely rewritten abolished...what a mess.


There we go. :thumbsup2:



I hate to be the "outlier" in gun control debates... Because I want everyone to think like me. :bigsmile:

I think the 2A should be defined once and forever- in such a way as to ensure that the civilian population can never be less well armed than the foot soldier (Infrantryman) or law enforcement personnel.
That WAS the intent of the 2nd Amendment, and part of the US Government's argument in the 1939 case United States v Miller http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller

Quote:
The U.S Government appealed the decision and on March 30, 1939, the U.S. Supreme Court heard the case. Attorneys for the United States argued four points:

The NFA is intended as a revenue-collecting measure and therefore within the authority of the Department of the Treasury.
The defendants transported the shotgun from Oklahoma to Arkansas, and therefore used it in interstate commerce.
The Second Amendment protects only the ownership of military-type weapons appropriate for use in an organized militia.
The "double barrel 12-gauge Stevens shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches in length, bearing identification number 76230" was never used in any militia organization.

Neither the defendants nor their legal counsel appeared at the Supreme Court. A lack of financial support and procedural irregularities prevented counsel from traveling.[3] Miller was found shot to death in April, before the decision was rendered.[4]


Here's what I think the NFA and GCA act should be "amended" to :

The Natural Right of The People to purchase, sell, keep, and bear arms shall never be taxed, regulated, "permitted" or infringed in any way that may impede free persons from being equally well-armed as any Infrantryman or domestic Law Enforcement personnel. Any such infringement or regulation is in direct opposition to a free society's Right to self-defense and is a sign of lurking tyranny.

Sorry if it's not polished, just off the top of my head.

I am following the Esq. who wrote the blog... I like his thinking.
I'd say "let's run with this" but I want to win- I don't want another letter coming out of ATF that essentially writes more law.

Abolish and redo in the original spirit of the Supreme Law of the Land, the US Constitution.



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I feel you on that, man...it's just not going to happen. The point of my original post was that we would see a vast improvement in terms of us enjoying the freedoms we still have, if they would just eliminate all of the BATFE letter writing crap and get it all squared away, so there was no ambiguity.

With that said - I dig your citizen = LEO = infantry in terms of allowable firearms. It's very righteous and jives with all of the reading I've done (Constitution, original intent of the framers, SCOTUS cases, etc.).


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