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"Why veterans miss war"
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 Location: Seattle Joined: Thu Feb 7, 2013 Posts: 693 
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http://youtu.be/TGZMSmcuiXM
I would welcome your perspective on this, whether you are a veteran or not. This is from the TED speaker series, which oftentimes is provocative, but often irritating as well. The speaker in this case is not a combat veteran, but rather a veteran war correspondent. His comments are his personal opinion, based upon years of battle coverage experience. "Why do veterans miss war?...." is his question. The talk itself is interesting, but I have one major quibble with the speaker. Twice did he mention (his opinion) that "...we need to answer this question, if we are ever to prevent war again...." (I paraphrase). This is complete bunkum. Soldiers never start wars; leaders (politicians) do. Understanding why soldiers (veterans) miss their war experiences will do squat to prevent future wars. (That part is my opinion.) _________________ RENCORP wrote: After all, politics is porn too, only without the happy ending. |
| Fri May 23, 2014 1:38 pm |
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Site Supporter   Location: East of Japan, not by much. Joined: Fri Jun 3, 2011 Posts: 13009
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Chicken hawks miss war. Before, during, and after. Cause they can. Assholes.
The worst stay home, and become leaders and politicians. The best honor their country, the Constitution, and their fellow man by serving. It should be the other way around. Troops miss teamwork, friendship, and trust, near as i can tell based on observance. Nope, I never served. Ted talks seem to be the new holding tank for idiocracy. _________________ Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. Give a man a fishing pole, and he will drink too much beer, get tangled in fish line, hook himself in the nose casting, fall overboard, and either drown, or, go home hungry and wet. Give a man a case of dynamite, and he will feed the whole town for a year! BE ON NOTICE: PRIVACY NOTICE: Warning - any person and/or institution and/or Agent and/or Agency of any governmental structure including but not limited to the United States Federal Government also using or monitoring/using this website or any of its associated websites, you do NOT have my permission to utilize any of my profile information nor any of the content contained herein including, but not limited to my photos, and/or the comments made about my photos or any other "picture" art posted on my profile. You are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing, disseminating, or taking any other action against me with regard to this profile and the contents herein. The foregoing prohibitions also apply to your employee, agent, student or any personnel under your direction or control. The contents of this profile are PRIVATE and legally privileged and confidential information, and the violation of my personal privacy is punishable by law. UCC 1-103 1-308 ALL RIGHTS RESERVED WITHOUT PREJUDICE |
| Fri May 23, 2014 1:45 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Idaho (pending) Joined: Sat Aug 4, 2012 Posts: 2824
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the one ww2 vet i spoke with sure did not miss the war...
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| Fri May 23, 2014 2:33 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: tumwater Joined: Thu Feb 21, 2013 Posts: 2358 Real Name: Kyle
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There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter.
Ernest Hemingway _________________ Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein |
| Fri May 23, 2014 2:38 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: NE WA Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2011 Posts: 5667 Real Name: The Dude
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Only ones who (should) miss it are REMFs who get all the extra pay & medals for being in a combat zone yet have almost none of the risk and don't see their buddies get killed or wounded.
_________________ "Wherever you go, there you are." |
| Fri May 23, 2014 2:38 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: south 'merca Joined: Wed Jul 25, 2012 Posts: 9738 Real Name: Mike
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"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers. For he today that sheds his
blood with me, Shall be my brother; be ne'er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition. And gentlemen in England now abed, Shall think themselves accursed they were not here, And hold their manhood's cheap whiles any speaks, That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day." - William Shakespeare ("King Henry V") The bonds that are forged in steel and blood amongst soldiers are like that unseen by but a handful of people. You eat with your brothers, you shower, you go to chow, you maintain your weapons, with your brothers, they stand watch over you while you sleep, they cover your six when in the field, they drag you to safety if you go down. You cry together, weep the loss of fallen brothers together. There is no brother like those that you serve with. You don't miss war, you miss your brothers, the ones you lost, and those lucky enough I still be walking amongst us. _________________ "No Quarter, No Mercy" mash_man wrote: #gangbangerlivesmatter |
| Fri May 23, 2014 3:09 pm |
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 Location: Pensacola, FL Joined: Sun Apr 14, 2013 Posts: 720
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this guy hit the nail on the head. It's not the war I actually miss, but the comradery you build with everyone you work with. It truly does become a brotherhood. Nobody misses being shot at or almost killed, but its something you accept is going to happen when you go to war. There's things you have to do in war that you'll never forget. Sometimes its bad, sometimes its good. I def do not miss being in an actual combat zone. But I do miss the things that happen because you're in a combat zone (if that makes any sense). But like I said.. I think this guy hit the nail on the head. I'm glad it came from someone with actual experience over there rather than some idiot politician who saw it happen on tv.
_________________ If you're gonna be stupid, you better be tough. |
| Fri May 23, 2014 5:47 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Casa Grande AZ Joined: Sat Jan 5, 2013 Posts: 1734 Real Name: 425-622-1646
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Don't miss it one bit...but I do miss the army
_________________ Give me your hand my love and I shall...no..not that one..thats my gun hand..the other one..and I shall walk with you thru the valley of the shadow of death |
| Fri May 23, 2014 8:35 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Lynwood Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2012 Posts: 3214
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I miss the brother hood . I lost to many friends to that shit and I sure as fuck dont miss it , all I have to do is go to sleep and its there again thats why I hardly sleep even after being back for 8 years since my last deployment
_________________ You can run but you will just die tired I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I fear no evil because I am the baddest MOTHER FUCKER in the valley |
| Fri May 23, 2014 9:42 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Yelm Joined: Sun Mar 24, 2013 Posts: 1413 Real Name: Owen
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TRUST.
No sane man misses war. As stated above, the BROTHERHOOD. When we come back, to the kind of politics and draaama bullshit here - who can you TRUST? You trust your Brothers, and very few others. OK _________________ Massivedesign wrote: ...I'll whip it out at a stop light and play with it. The problem is, the light turns green too fast but I'm not done, so I'll keep on playing.... Massivedesign wrote: Owen, grab mine please!! I’ll speak for chris. Grab his too! MadPick wrote: I also get serviced by Massivedesign. |
| Sat May 24, 2014 1:47 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Marysville, WA Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 Posts: 11570 Real Name: Mike
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O_Kellogg wrote: TRUST. No sane man misses war. As stated above, the BROTHERHOOD. When we come back, to the kind of politics and draaama bullshit here - who can you TRUST? You trust your Brothers, and very few others. OK Dead on. I had a long conversation yesterday with a fellow soldier from the Vietnam days. He went to Vietnam with the first US troops to set foot in the country. The only people he feels totally comfortable with are others that wore the uniform. He shared some experiences yesterday he doesn't talk of with anyone who didn't serve. A total lack of trust that they'll understand what he lived though (although wounded in action more than once). Any man who's "seen the elephant" hates war. Einstein and Geo. McGovern had it right when they said old men dream up/start wars for young men to die in. How about this? Let the next war be fought on the battlefield with each sides "Leaders" doing battle. Let the Armies sit in the stands and watch for a change. Let's see how many wars get started if those are the rules for the next one. _________________ "I've learned from the Dog that an afternoon nap is a good thing" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother" - William Shakespeare |
| Sat May 24, 2014 5:43 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: S. Everett Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 3088
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I talk with vets all the time while working at the VA, not ONE vet talks about how they miss war.
This guy is a ducking tool. Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk |
| Sat May 24, 2014 7:31 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Casa Grande AZ Joined: Sat Jan 5, 2013 Posts: 1734 Real Name: 425-622-1646
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However some guys do miss it. And they become legends. Mike Hoare, Greg boyington, George Patton, everyone who worked for executive outcomes and French legionairs...the list is endless
So what gives? _________________ Give me your hand my love and I shall...no..not that one..thats my gun hand..the other one..and I shall walk with you thru the valley of the shadow of death |
| Sat May 24, 2014 7:58 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Smelterville, Idaho Joined: Sun Feb 3, 2013 Posts: 671 Real Name: Keith Coleman
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11 years in
6 navy 5 army ng never been to a war zone during my serving I do miss the friendship I had with likeminded people When I got out...I ran into nothing but those wanting to take advantage of those of us who take pride in serving others. LEO's and firefighters know this feeling as well (they serve daily) I like many that served never stopped serving.....and never will The ones that have stopped serving either never started or are remembered on this weekend by those who never served, and remembered by those who served on a daily basis. It doesn't take a special weekend for us to remember. Forgetting is NOT an option. _________________ For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor that the protected can not savor. |
| Sat May 24, 2014 10:41 pm |
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 Location: Kent Joined: Tue Dec 17, 2013 Posts: 105
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6 years US Army Infantryman, 2 deployments each with a different unit. I have been out for almost 2 years now. For every happy memory or exciting time shooting big guns or nearly getting driven off a cliff by my best friend. I also remember 30 bullshit times like being forced to come back to base and help some 21 year old kid clean his barracks room or some shit like that. I don't miss the army, I miss my friends and the honor I carried. I'm a husband and a father now going to school with a night security guard job (no not a mall) and all I really miss is the feeling of doing something very few others would. There was never a greater honor for me than wearing that uniform. I miss that most of all.
_________________ When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty. |
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