Apparently I see agenda 21 and land grabs as a bad thing for our future as farmers are what make this nation great vs the profiteering government slugs that keep sucking the nation dry to fill their coffers. Of course the farmers are in it for a profit but they supply a product that we all need..food. This is not about turtles or protecting public lands, it is about forcing hard working farmers to shut down their operations in order to sell off public lands to their partners in crime like Reid Bunkerville LLC so they can benefit from the people's land. Bundy would pay if they were not going to force him out of business as they are doing and did to every other rancher in that area..keep your eyes open for some prime real estate development opportunities in that area after they force him out..that will benefit Reid and the like...

Bundy pays his local fees. He just doesn't finance his demise via payment to the BLM.

The small limited family tree I posted does show the Bundy family having direct ancestry to the land there. I didn't go much into it, but look further and I'm sure it plays out even more so. That channel 8 news sure did a good job investigating.

You guys just said this land is otherwise of no use to anyone, now it's prime real estate... which is it?

And so what if it benefits Reid, it will create jobs and taxes. More than what the land is earning from Bundy

The land is valuable obviously. My point is that Bundy isn't harming anyone by using it, and there is plenty out there.

If he's in the way of something that will generate money for the people, then he should not be using it, or pay what the value of the land is...

Somehow people think it's his land, it's not....it's our land...

And if somebody wants to develop it, too bad, it's not his to begin with

I think we will have to wait to see what happens out of it then. The same with all the land grabs, and regulations running farmers out of business. I doubt it, but hopefully it's all good for our future. Maybe even the Bundy family will be greatful being run out. Even if it turns out to be some crazy conspiracy like under the table deal of $5 billion to Rory from the Chinese to mine for minerals, we may benefit I guess. Sounds evil, but what the hell.

Bold # 1. The pointing of guns, and stealing cows, I have a problem with this.. Apparently the local Sheriff was asked to assist. As I understand it, he refused. Something is going on here. The pointing of guns by a bunch of Guvmint employee's was TOTALLY uncalled for.

Bold #2 Forfeiting...... Nope. Don't agree with this at all..

@urban ...That we agree on... And don't get me wrong, I feel bad the Bundy family is getting the boot but they are also getting a sweet deal with using land that is not theirs...

But in his eyes he believes the land is his and that's where I disagree with him

So Danoh, what would you do if somebody refuses to leave your land...And had their property on yours...

Unless your are saying Bundy owns the land which he does not

Lol XDM! At least we agree on something!

I'm burnt out on this topic. I have been for weeks... why why why did I bite the hook? Hehe

I'm glad I burnt myself out quick on the Elliot Rodger punk. Reading that manifesto gave me a enough that I don't care to hear or see anymore ever again.

Anyways, you guys go at it! I'm done!

Thanks for spending the time... there was no name calling and a good exchange of opinions... So I'd say thanks for responding... I've actually taken some of your points into my thinking...

NO I'm not saying its his land at all. Further from it. I have issues when the BLM decides to close public lands, which has been happening all over the west. Even in Washington State. I know of one area, where I want to rip the fencing out. But I am saying when the local sheriff refuses to help BLM, then there are some underlying issues that's not been made public.

I'm highly disturbed that NO ONE is pissed about untrained Guvmint goons pointing loaded guns over a small issues such as this. and YES, I consider grazing rights a small issue. You have twice passed over the "gun pointing", with no comment about it. Someone points a gun at me, you better have a fucking good reason for it. Thus far, I haven't seen a good reason.

What about the fact they are wanting to round up the "persons who pointed weapons at federal agents"(I.E. The guy posted up on the overpass? The BLM agents can point their weapons and assault unarmed people yet a civilian willing to defend himself or others against malicious assault from these agents are gunna be sought out and prosecuted by the federal gooberment?

I'm not defending the use of guns either... so no argument here from me..

we're all speculating... but in the end, the courts have decided that he was in the wrong and he refused to move his cattle from the public land... and pay his fine..

so where do you draw the line? respect the law only when it is convenient?

so if you think that's ok as well, try doing that on an overpass here and see if SWAT won't take you out and prosecute you if you survive...

how is it any different? I don't support BLM using their guns, but neither do I support the pro-Bundy crowd doing the same...