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Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl - coming home
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Classic
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Location: Federal Way Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 Posts: 5480
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Glad he's home the the price paid was ungodly high. For the interview with a high ranking military official I'm pretty sure charges are coming but he is considered innocent until proven guilty. Hopefully we had some wonder drug that we put in their water that'll take the 5 out in a week or 2. Other than that we'll see what happens from the court martial...
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| Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:37 pm |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 53102
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Now would be a good time to de-escalate. Just a friendly heads-up.
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| Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:46 pm |
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Tofan
Location: Olympia,WA Joined: Fri Feb 22, 2013 Posts: 191
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Some people's parents should have just been sterilized. SMH
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| Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:40 pm |
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acidfly
Location: Sagamihara, Kanagawa Joined: Fri Dec 21, 2012 Posts: 970
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Rivitman wrote: Tofan wrote: Are you even in?
No its not just "another mission". You sound extremely clueless about how deployments work and when we do "missions". "These" guys save your life by going outside the wire and staying behind the "barrier". So unless you have deployed SHUT your mouth and enjoy your freedom. If you have been then you should be ashamed of yourself for talking like that. Those "missions" that those soldiers were on, were unnecessary, if Bergdahl didn't walk off the COP, none of this would have happened. Yes it is hard to justify risking your life for a deserter, especially in a time of war.
Anytime we negotiate with terrorists, we are setting a bad precedent. I would rather die for my country then have them do a prisoner exchange for me, as I could guess the vast majority of my battle buddies.
My services we available as an infantryman for four years. No, I did no see action. However, I DID consider myself a professional. meaning, I didn't have to like it, I just had to do it, whatever the "IT" was. You don't get to choose your war, or your mission. You want unnecessary? How about being in A-stan for ten goddamn years. Negotiating with terrorists bad? That's fine, high minded talk. It's also a lie. Every government does it. All the time. We do these faustian bargains at will, like pandering to the Afghan dope lords to get at the Taliban. Going easy on the Taliban to get at Al Quida. Now, if you want me to shut my mouth, I invite you to have a whack at shutting it for me. Otherwise get lost, chest beater. And while your at it, do something about you "I'm a hero cuz I deployed" syndrome. You mad bro? You should be because you're wrong
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| Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:21 pm |
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Rivitman
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I'm not your "bro".
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| Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:35 am |
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dusty
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does this guy look healthy, and fit?.......
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| Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:41 am |
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Massivedesign
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38379
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Did he, didn't he? Is he, isn't he? That will come out (maybe).
My major concern is the president we have just set saying we will negotiate with terrorists. What used to be a pretty hard line, no wiggle room stance is now a trampled policy. My fear is our soldiers over there, who are still risking their lives daily are now in the cross-hairs for additional negotiations. Mission kill the US is now mission capture the US.
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| Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:18 am |
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acidfly
Location: Sagamihara, Kanagawa Joined: Fri Dec 21, 2012 Posts: 970
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Rivitman wrote: I'm not your "bro". Come on bro dont be like that. Take some midol for those cramps.
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| Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:45 am |
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Massivedesign
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38379
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MadPick wrote: Now would be a good time to de-escalate. Just a friendly heads-up. Heed this advice people.... For some of you, there will not be a 3rd warning.
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| Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:48 am |
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AR15L
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Location: Nampa, Idaho Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 20125
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Massivedesign wrote: Did he, didn't he? Is he, isn't he? That will come out (maybe).
My major concern is the president we have just set saying we will negotiate with terrorists. What used to be a pretty hard line, no wiggle room stance is now a trampled policy. My fear is our soldiers over there, who are still risking their lives daily are now in the cross-hairs for additional negotiations. Mission kill the US is now mission capture the US. And now everyone is trying to apologize for what our Muslim president has done. I asked the question on Yahoo, 'at what point is Obama impeached?'
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| Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:56 am |
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golddigger14s
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Location: Faxon, OK Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 Posts: 18059
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Massivedesign wrote: MadPick wrote: Now would be a good time to de-escalate. Just a friendly heads-up. Heed this advice people.... For some of you, there will not be a 3rd warning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpCV2wgoxC8 
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| Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:24 am |
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RusoArmo
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Location: Lynnwood Joined: Thu Dec 6, 2012 Posts: 5443
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Innocent until guilty people....
However, if he did abandon post, if soldiers did die looking for him and if we did trade 5 Taliban for him, he should be met with firing squad.
IF.
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| Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:32 am |
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DSynger
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Location: Kansas City Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2012 Posts: 2786
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Rusoarmo wrote: Innocent until guilty people....
However, if he did abandon post, if soldiers did die looking for him and if we did trade 5 Taliban for him, he should be met with firing squad.
IF. Sounds like things are getting muddled a bit. Hopefully the investigation into the allegations of him abandoning his post will be quick and find the truth. How does the president situation get resolved. It's one thing when the GOP is all like, "what he did was wrong." It's entirely different when Feinstein is like, "... the legality of what he did is questionable..."
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| Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:42 am |
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Rivitman
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Location: Graham WA Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 1307
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So.... Bergdahl's squad-mates actually hired a PR firm to get them on national TV so they could badmouth him?
I think I now know part of the problem:
Where was this guys chain of command? You have his team leader and squad leader on national TV badmouthing him. Where were they in all this? They didn't know their soldier? They thought he was nuts but left him alone? They didn't inform the platoon sergeant and the topkick? Whether Bergdahl is guilty or not, there is an equal chance he leaders were asleep at the switch. Judging by some of the comments these guys make, maybe Bergdahl should have been medically case-vacd to the rear for evaluation long before he went for a walk.
Did these guys take care of their soldier like good NCO's should? Did the members of this squad/platoon watch out for each other? Or was the dynamic in this outfit just screwed up?
And no, this isn't swiftboating. Bergdahl isn't running for potus, and isn't making any claims.
But it's interesting that these guys were all silent as long as Bergdahl was in the hands of the Taliban.
Meanwhile, some people I had a good deal of respect for, including some former General Officers, are saying some very improper things. Guys who should know better.
And every one of them KNOWS the most Bergdahl can get under the UCMJ is five years and a DD.
But last I heard this is America, and we don't sentence anybody to life in Taliban captivity, with or without a trial.
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| Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:15 am |
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Tofan
Location: Olympia,WA Joined: Fri Feb 22, 2013 Posts: 191
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Rivitman wrote: So.... Bergdahl's squad-mates actually hired a PR firm to get them on national TV so they could badmouth him?
I think I now know part of the problem:
Where was this guys chain of command? You have his team leader and squad leader on national TV badmouthing him. Where were they in all this? They didn't know their soldier? They thought he was nuts but left him alone? They didn't inform the platoon sergeant and the topkick? Whether Bergdahl is guilty or not, there is an equal chance he leaders were asleep at the switch. Judging by some of the comments these guys make, maybe Bergdahl should have been medically case-vacd to the rear for evaluation long before he went for a walk.
Did these guys take care of their soldier like good NCO's should? Did the members of this squad/platoon watch out for each other? Or was the dynamic in this outfit just screwed up?
And no, this isn't swiftboating. Bergdahl isn't running for potus, and isn't making any claims.
But it's interesting that these guys were all silent as long as Bergdahl was in the hands of the Taliban.
Meanwhile, some people I had a good deal of respect for, including some former General Officers, are saying some very improper things. Guys who should know better.
And every one of them KNOWS the most Bergdahl can get under the UCMJ is five years and a DD.
But last I heard this is America, and we don't sentence anybody to life in Taliban captivity, with or without a trial. Where do you get Five years and a dishonorable discharge? The UCMJ has numerous articles that he violated. Soldiers in his platoon weren't silent either. They have spoken out long before this. When the whole thing happened they spoke out then and in ones and twos during it. During a combat deployment, you can't just get a guy out of there because he starts saying stuff. Even if a guy starts saying he is going to kill himself, he will go on lockdown, be medically evaluated and go from there. There would be far too many individuals who would cry wolf just to get out of a deployment. There are many "new" feelings that everybody experiences when they go in a combat zone, Angry, Sad, Confused, all of which are completely normal. Also I don't know they quite "hired" a PR firm to "badmouth" Bergdahl. They all are putting out the truth to the whole world of what really happened. You are clearly convinced that he is a national hero and will read/hear what you want to back your position.
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