My guess is this would stop some crazies and create others. There is a lot of stigma around going to a shrink already... you throw in losing rights over it and no one is gonna go voluntarily...

I think this is a good counter argument.

One idea someone here (I think) mentioned which wouldn't push people away from treatment as much is having the loss of rights be a short term thing, triggered by detention for mental health eval (which doesn't require a court hearing). e.g. you lose your guns for a few days while the po-po and doctors figure things out.

I've seen deputies take people away for evaluation, there is a one page form they sign saying the person is a danger to themselves/others. It isn't the same as commitment of course.

They all have really creepy, big eyes?

. . . and a Guy Fawkes mask smile.

The one in the right looks like a fucking alien

Drop Sandy Hook from the discussion completely, because it never happened. It was a Drill and a media hoax to further the Anti-Gun agenda.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/01/07 ... rate-hoax/

It's a great counter argument. People who have easily treatable minor issues won't get help for fear of losing rights, and those issues could worsen into major ones.

This is exactly what has happened in the military, troops were afraid of loosing positions or being made fun of so they didn't get the help they needed after coming home. This has caused and increase in domestic violence and suicides by troops. It is finally starting to be changed, but it has taken years and will take many more to break the habit.

i think this inforgraphic sums it all up



full article

http://www.guns.com/2014/06/05/infograp ... -age-race/

I was thinking last night and wondering if there was a connection between the 1990 School Gun Ban and the rise in school shootings. I came across this wikipedia entry [I know it's a wiki so a grain of salt is needed] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States and started counting.

Every decade starting from the 1850's has had 10-50 school shootings. This number includes NDs. After the 1990 Gun Ban, the numbers didn't really change until this last decade, 2010-Present. I counted just under 100 in the last 4 years!

Makes me wonder if there isn't something more to the Rx drug link than anyone really wants to believe. I haven't looked into the increase, if any, of Rx perscriptions, but it seems like they are being pushed a lot more...

BTW, I'd hate to leave the decision of gun ownership in the hands of a doctor/shrink. Seems like a guilty until proven innocent method to me. Maybe prohibition based on filled perscriptions...? Big Pharma would hate that though.

Well you can be certain if there is a known direct link to pharmaceutical drugs, you'll never hear a peep about it from the mainstream media. Guess who sponsors most of their programming… take a pill! Take a pill! Take a pill!

Just this sentence alone creates too many problems. The first being that medical treatment privileged information. Second not all people on anti-depressants are mentally unstable. Would you then ban people who take those drugs like wellbutrin for anti-smoking the same as a person who is depressed? Technically they are both on the same drug but for different reasons. Where would the line be drawn?

I personally do not think anyone should ever be on any of these drugs ever. They cause more issues with people then actually solving the underlining problem.

It makes me wonder what drugs they would put there. Are people with back pain taking vicotin barred? I don't think is should be just a prescription thing, or advil and birth control will make it on there. I've known three people that were put on 'happy' pills and ended up killing themselves. (none with a firearm) THey thought they were better, stopped taking them, then went into full depression mode.

In the old days you housed these assholes in asylums..then the libs bitched about rights. You can not re-open them because then you could not shoot scarey movies in them anymore. Closed down mental institutions are great settings for movies.
And who cares? Guns will not be available to most of your kids. They will be going away. In fact guns will be going away in your lifetime. So will your freedom.
Hillary will be elected in 2016. and after her will be some asshole we have not seen yet ,,,but still some commie asshole.
You have lost your country, get over it.

If we they are going to restrict the 2A because of mental issues, will they also restrict other amendments? This would have kept Jim Jones and David Koresh at bay.