He said thinking about it. It does get frustrating. We all want to say Not One More, but we all know additional gun control laws won't impact it. We really do need better protection for the children.

Did you miss the memo?
The NRA offered free weapons training for all teachers but guess who turned it down?
Some unions want teachers to be allowed to CC but noooooooooooooooooooo..... again, turned down.

Very sad. Back in the day the principal, and the kids brought their guns to school so they could go hunting after school let out. When it comes to kids (doing wrong), I can only blame the parents. Again let's not blame the "item" used, let's put the blame on the individual. Whether it's a gun, or a rock. They are both inanimate objects. It's the person wielding the object that is to blame.

yeah take those TSA guys and move them to our schools.. they may actually serve a better purpose other than groping old ladies in wheelchairs...

You'd rather them grope teenage girls then?

Are they hiring?

I think we all feel the same way, as far as being REALLY tired of this happening. We all want it to stop.

As for "additional gun laws," it feels like the "quick fix" we all want, because it's something we can easily do. However, think about it for a little bit, and I think it will be clear that anything short of total disarmament of our population won't make a difference.

One more law, two more laws . . . it won't matter. All that it would accomplish is to take away our abilities to defend ourselves.

damn.. didn't think that through...

At the time the shooting happened, I was sitting in my 14yo daughter's class (unaware the shooting was happening) thinking, I wonder how many of these kids have access to a gun and could bring one to school. Putting aside ghost guns, for the life of me I can't see the downside to having metal detectors on the entry points set for a fairly low sensitivity so they wouldn't sound for all the normal stupid crap kids carry. Most guns have a sizable of metal in them (barrel), more than most things you'd have in your school backpack. Just set them to the level where they would alert for most guns. There's absolutely no effort devoted to detecting people bringing guns into a school. If it is really going to be a "gun free zone" then you need to enforce it and protect it; or stop it being a gun free zone and let parents and teachers carry.

anyone else see that when they were doing pat downs of the students, one of them actually was carrying a pistol.

Suggesting this is a gun problem is ridiculous.

When I was in school (back when Pangea was getting boring) kids kept their shotguns in their trucks if they had either gone duck hunting in the morning or were planning to leave early for some outdoor therapy. No one thought it was strange. It was never a concern they were going to use them on their fellow students. We still had murders--one kid killed one of his parents, another girl was killed by a guy she met on the bus--but the idea of these guns being used in a school shooting was totally foreign. So even though guns were more prevalent than they are now, they weren't a problem.

Obviously something besides guns is going on.

People tend to forget such things...

I'm all about controlled entry points and School Resource Officers (SRO's--uniformed, sworn LE assigned to the school) but at least in Bellevue, the financial resources aren't there, except at the high school level. And a little anecdote...when I was still married, and my husband was a principal at a HS, he had a parent walk into the school, walk right past the SRO's office, walk into his office, take out a pistol (no idea what it was, other than a revolver of some sort), lay it on his desk, and ask my now ex-husband why, exactly, he (the irate parent) shouldn't shoot him.

My ex sat there for a moment (okay, he's a lot more mild-mannered than I am), stood up and said, "Felony charges?". Guy started laughing, holstered his pistol and just then the SRO came in. The man was arrested without incident (I can't remember the exact charge, but I believe it was along the lines of brandishing a weapon).

In the mass shootings, it's always the principal and the SRO who are taken out first, or at least it seems that way to me.

Black kids are killed almost every day in Chicago; nothing. White kids get killed and everyone loses their minds. I'm surprised the bleeding heart PC nuts haven't picked up on this.

Also, the more and more I think about it, the more I believe the real problem is the degradation of the family over the past few decades. Obviously this isn't absolute, but I believe most of these kids could have been saved if the shooters just had family that was attentive to them. Elliot Rodger was clearly a product of this and I have to assume most of the rest were as well. Even if things got bad and warning signs started to appear, there should at least be someone there to knock some sense into them if necessary. I know it's not always that easy, but too many of these kids clearly have nothing holding them back. The Cafe Racer shooter was the same way. The family knew he was fucked up AND owned firearms, but did nothing of significance to intervene.


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Apparently my rant in the NRA thread would have been better posted here.

"People...that's the problem. Fucked up people. People with Fucked up parents who "raise" Fucked up people.
Why? Because they didn't FUCKING DO THEIR JOB AS PARENTS and raise good kids with values, a work ethic and respect for others.
Rich or Poor doesn't Fucking matter...look at some of these assholes who shootup schools. They weren't fucking Lacking anything, except a parent who cared enough to put a foot in their asses when needed.
Some of the most decent people I have met came from poor families...But they had parents who cared and raised them and guided them.
Someday these people will realize the root of the problems in society today. Apathy towards parenting, education, basic values and respect towards you fellow man.
That raising children to be decent, honest and respectful people that contribute towards our society is key.
Not blaming Guns, politics or television, or whatever the Fuck they can blame so they don't have to assume any responsibility.
That's the key... assume responsibility, do your Fucking job as parents and don't expect society to do it for you."