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Everyone will get it or become inoculated in 5 years. Who wants to take me up on this bet? this is the next Small Pox.

BadKarma wrote:Everyone will get it or become inoculated in 5 years. Who wants to take me up on this bet? this is the next Small Pox.

Send me the name of the company that will come up with the prevention shot.
Sounds like a good money maker right there.

ANZAC wrote:

dan360 wrote:

ANZAC wrote:And the blame of the health care workers by the CDC continues:

"Even though the nurse did not report having a fever until Tuesday, the day after she returned home, she should not have boarded a commercial airliner after learning that another nurse, Nina Pham, had been diagnosed with Ebola, government officials said Wednesday."

http://www.komonews.com/news/national/E ... 75332.html

Now the CDC is actually doing something: (several days late, dollar short)

CDC Director Tom Frieden said no one else involved in Duncan's care will be allowed to travel "other than in a controlled environment."

Well, that *would* show a little sense of responsibility....you know, that little thing that has vanished in this society of individualist selfish entitlement.

The CDC deals with stuff like Ebola daily....to them, common sense is actually common. Apologies on their behalf if they seem a little short with retards.

The CDC said they were "very surprised" when the first nurse was infected. Why would they expect other workers not to travel when they said there was little risk of anyone else being infected?

The CDC has demonstrated incompetence every step of the way so far. Just look at some of the things they have said.

Again, because they deal with nasty little gremlins like Ebola day in and day out, and manage to play co-ed beer league softball after work, go watch their kid's recitals, eat @ Applebee's, and all that other normal life stuff without infecting the population, SOOOOOOOO when they see other medical professionals dealing with it, they ASSUME they are smart, too.

Then, they are ASSUMING that with all this information coming out about no "protocol" or whatever, and the like that maybe, JUST MAYBE, those who were actually there in the hospital would be able to deduce "hayyy....my homegirl got the ebola, maybe I should be a homebody for a bit and watch my six....." not travel via airplane to wherever or do whatever else these folks have done in the duration.

If you want to call the CDC incompetent for assuming their fellow professionals would have a brain and USE it, then you sir should be labeled incompetent as well for assuming the CDC could read minds, tell the future, and be otherwise perfectly paranoid. Along with whatever other gov't agencies you'd like to blame for causing Texas Presbyterian Hospital to be stupid.

...and I should be labeled incompetent too for even talking about it. Anyone else wanna join the incompetent club? Maybe we'll all get lucky and someone will make an app that will fix all of it....seems to be the only way to get the population's undivided attention anymore.

dan360 wrote:Again, because they deal with nasty little gremlins like Ebola day in and day out, and manage to play co-ed beer league softball after work, go watch their kid's recitals, eat @ Applebee's, and all that other normal life stuff without infecting the population, SOOOOOOOO when they see other medical professionals dealing with it, they ASSUME they are smart, too.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/16/health/cd ... x-hearing/

Then, they are ASSUMING that with all this information coming out about no "protocol" or whatever, and the like that maybe, JUST MAYBE, those who were actually there in the hospital would be able to deduce "hayyy....my homegirl got the ebola, maybe I should be a homebody for a bit and watch my six....." not travel via airplane to wherever or do whatever else these folks have done in the duration.

If you want to call the CDC incompetent for assuming their fellow professionals would have a brain and USE it, then you sir should be labeled incompetent as well for assuming the CDC could read minds, tell the future, and be otherwise perfectly paranoid. Along with whatever other gov't agencies you'd like to blame for causing Texas Presbyterian Hospital to be stupid.

...and I should be labeled incompetent too for even talking about it. Anyone else wanna join the incompetent club? Maybe we'll all get lucky and someone will make an app that will fix all of it....seems to be the only way to get the population's undivided attention anymore.

If the CDC are the experts, they have a responsibility to communicate out to these hospitals and workers (who have not as much experience with ebola) what they should and should not be doing. There are reports of "optional training", "choose your own protocol", "choose your own level of PPE"... etc.

I do agree with glockgirl that the hospitals have the responsibility to put it in place. But the CDC has already said today that they should have handled this differently.

I read that eating bacon prevents Ebola.

ANZAC wrote:

dan360 wrote:Again, because they deal with nasty little gremlins like Ebola day in and day out, and manage to play co-ed beer league softball after work, go watch their kid's recitals, eat @ Applebee's, and all that other normal life stuff without infecting the population, SOOOOOOOO when they see other medical professionals dealing with it, they ASSUME they are smart, too.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/16/health/cd ... x-hearing/

Then, they are ASSUMING that with all this information coming out about no "protocol" or whatever, and the like that maybe, JUST MAYBE, those who were actually there in the hospital would be able to deduce "hayyy....my homegirl got the ebola, maybe I should be a homebody for a bit and watch my six....." not travel via airplane to wherever or do whatever else these folks have done in the duration.

If you want to call the CDC incompetent for assuming their fellow professionals would have a brain and USE it, then you sir should be labeled incompetent as well for assuming the CDC could read minds, tell the future, and be otherwise perfectly paranoid. Along with whatever other gov't agencies you'd like to blame for causing Texas Presbyterian Hospital to be stupid.

...and I should be labeled incompetent too for even talking about it. Anyone else wanna join the incompetent club? Maybe we'll all get lucky and someone will make an app that will fix all of it....seems to be the only way to get the population's undivided attention anymore.

If the CDC are the experts, they have a responsibility to communicate out to these hospitals and workers (who have not as much experience with ebola) what they should and should not be doing. There are reports of "optional training", "choose your own protocol", "choose your own level of PPE"... etc.

I do agree with glockgirl that the hospitals have the responsibility to put it in place. But the CDC has already said today that they should have handled this differently.

The whole anthrax thing, I'll give you that. It was pretty stupid.

I make mistakes at work sometimes. Hell just the other day I blew a hydraulic return filter off because I forgot to open a valve. Things I won't do though are use a welder without eye protection, rub my hands across hydraulic lines looking for leaks, stick my fingers in a drive belt, and surely not lick my coworker's thermos because he's kinda gross sometimes.......so when folks are @ work hanging around someone showing all the signs of a bad, bad virus yet still proceeding with the status quo due to a lack of a RCI event to explain via PowerPoint that you aren't supposed to let icky stuff touch your skin, well...even though the manual never really specified if the valve had to be manipulated or not during the replacement process it's a bit of a stretch to blame Caterpillar for me blowing off that return filter.

dan360 wrote:I make mistakes at work sometimes. Hell just the other day I blew a hydraulic return filter off because I forgot to open a valve. Things I won't do though are use a welder without eye protection, rub my hands across hydraulic lines looking for leaks, stick my fingers in a drive belt, and surely not lick my coworker's thermos because he's kinda gross sometimes.......so when folks are @ work hanging around someone showing all the signs of a bad, bad virus yet still proceeding with the status quo due to a lack of a RCI event to explain via PowerPoint that you aren't supposed to let icky stuff touch your skin, well...even though the manual never really specified if the valve had to be manipulated or not during the replacement process it's a bit of a stretch to blame Caterpillar for me blowing off that return filter.

These are presumably nurses that have given care to patients with HIV etc. and should know enough to keep themselves safe from any fluid borne virus. And that's precisely my point, for whatever reason this is a nasty bug and easy to transmit, and it seems like they are still learning. Like I said, I know all of the very basic BBP precautions, my choice is to avoid getting close to patients, their fluids, body bags, etc. to the degree I can avoid it.

Also, your own health and safety should be of higher importance than the patient's health. That's just my opinion.
I make mistakes all the time too, the consequences so far have not been fatal for anyone.

ANZAC wrote:
These are presumably nurses that have given care to patients with HIV etc. and should know enough to keep themselves safe from any fluid borne virus. And that's precisely my point, for whatever reason this is a nasty bug and easy to transmit, and it seems like they are still learning. Like I said, I know all of the very basic BBP precautions, my choice is to avoid getting close to patients, their fluids, body bags, etc. to the degree I can avoid it.

Also, your own health and safety should be of higher importance than the patient's health. That's just my opinion.
I make mistakes all the time too, the consequences so far have not been fatal for anyone.

I agree with all that 100%.

It's the fault of the NRA. http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... 5_33719457

kf7mjf wrote:It's the fault of the NRA. http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... 5_33719457

Man there is a bunch of stupid over there.

BadKarma wrote:

kf7mjf wrote:It's the fault of the NRA. http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... 5_33719457

Man there is a bunch of stupid over there.

That's insulting to stupid people.

BadKarma wrote:Everyone will get it or become inoculated in 5 years.

I don't agree with the first bit, Ebola is nowhere near as contagious as something like influenza, which easily kills or contributes to the death of (via secondary, opportunistic infections) thousands upon thousands of people just in the United States each year.

However, as to the second bit, there are multiple companies in multiple nations scrambling to come up with a vaccine for Ebola (now that Western governments have begun subsidizing Ebola vaccine research), so we may well have a widely available vaccine within five years. I certainly hope so.

ANZAC wrote:Also, your own health and safety should be of higher importance than the patient's health.

Nope. There's this thing called the Nightingale Pledge, an oath that graduating nurses take. Although it does not explicitly spell out that the nurse is expected to put the patient's health and well-being above your own, it has been a tradition since Florence Nightingale herself attended to sick and dying soldiers in the midst of the Crimean war that as a nurse, your own health and safety is of lesser importance than that of the patient.

The Nightingale Pledge:

I solemnly pledge myself before God and in the presence of this assembly, to pass my life in purity and to practice my profession faithfully. I will abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous, and will not take or knowingly administer any harmful drug. I will do all in my power to maintain and elevate the standard of my profession, and will hold in confidence all personal matters committed to my keeping and all family affairs coming to my knowledge in the practice of my calling. With loyalty will I endeavor to aid the physician in his work, and devote myself to the welfare of those committed to my care.

glockgirl wrote:

BadKarma wrote:Everyone will get it or become inoculated in 5 years.

I don't agree with the first bit, Ebola is nowhere near as contagious as something like influenza, which easily kills or contributes to the death of (via secondary, opportunistic infections) thousands upon thousands of people just in the United States each year.

However, as to the second bit, there are multiple companies in multiple nations scrambling to come up with a vaccine for Ebola (now that Western governments have begun subsidizing Ebola vaccine research), so we may well have a widely available vaccine within five years. I certainly hope so.

ANZAC wrote:Also, your own health and safety should be of higher importance than the patient's health.

Nope. There's this thing called the Nightingale Pledge, an oath that graduating nurses take. Although it does not explicitly spell out that the nurse is expected to put the patient's health and well-being above your own, it has been a tradition since Florence Nightingale herself attended to sick and dying soldiers in the midst of the Crimean war that as a nurse, your own health and safety is of lesser importance than that of the patient.

The Nightingale Pledge:

I solemnly pledge myself before God and in the presence of this assembly, to pass my life in purity and to practice my profession faithfully. I will abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous, and will not take or knowingly administer any harmful drug. I will do all in my power to maintain and elevate the standard of my profession, and will hold in confidence all personal matters committed to my keeping and all family affairs coming to my knowledge in the practice of my calling. With loyalty will I endeavor to aid the physician in his work, and devote myself to the welfare of those committed to my care.

It might not get to the influenza stage but it will grow beyond our expectations. I guess 50M in the US alone. Africa is such a shit hole that unless they stop EVERYONE from leaving that country then it will go world wide.

BadKarma wrote:

kf7mjf wrote:It's the fault of the NRA. http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... 5_33719457

Man there is a bunch of stupid over there.

The stupid is not limited to over there.

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BadKarma wrote:Africa is such a shit hole that unless they stop EVERYONE from leaving that country then it will go world wide.

Continent you mean?