I'm grabbing a quick lunch at the king. ... and I notice a fair amount of homeless looking apparent narcotics users hanging around. .. go inside ... order food. .. ask about the vagrants. .. apparently it's pretty common. .
go back outside. .. start eating lunch ... and a king county van pulls up. ... and a guy gives them a sharps box. .. the guy in the van gives him a pack of needles and another sharps box. ..
seriously? You're trading dirty needles in the middle of a fucking restaurant parking lot?
I watch this happen a few times...so I decide to pull out my phone and record it... sorry about the vertical...
So...apparently...your taxpayer dollars are funding drug users...so they can get high...a little bit safer....
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Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:04 pm
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You want to pay for needle exchanges, or do you want to pay for treatment of bloodborne diseases?
Unless our society is willing to simply refuse emergency medical treatment and let homeless people die, those are your options.
One of them is much, much cheaper than the other.
You contract a disease because of drugs...its your fault...you deal with the consequences...
So..no... taxpayer dollars shouldn't fund this.....nor should they foot the bill for Billy's he pa tits issues..
omfg.... my phone corrected hepatitis to that....so epic I'm gonna leave it.
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An unidentified male, mid 40's, wearing dirty clothes is delivered to an emergency room by an unrelated person who saw him collapse in the street, struggling to breathe. The triage team removes his outer jacket and discovers that he is running a fever of approximately 104 degrees despite the 40 and raining weather outside, and there appear to be numerous scars running lengthwise down his arms. As he is being admitted, the man loses consciousness and goes into cardiac arrest.
Wheel him back outside and dump him on the sidewalk?
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Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:20 pm
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An unidentified male, mid 40's, wearing dirty clothes is delivered to an emergency room by an unrelated person who saw him collapse in the street, struggling to breathe. The triage team removes his outer jacket and discovers that he is running a fever of approximately 104 degrees despite the 40 and raining weather outside, and there appear to be numerous scars running lengthwise down his arms. As he is being admitted, the man loses consciousness and goes into cardiac arrest.
Wheel him back outside and dump him on the sidewalk?
Bonus points, leave the body where it lays to rot.
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Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:22 pm
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An unidentified male, mid 40's, wearing dirty clothes is delivered to an emergency room by an unrelated person who saw him collapse in the street, struggling to breathe. The triage team removes his outer jacket and discovers that he is running a fever of approximately 104 degrees despite the 40 and raining weather outside, and there appear to be numerous scars running lengthwise down his arms. As he is being admitted, the man loses consciousness and goes into cardiac arrest.
Wheel him back outside and dump him on the sidewalk?
Or..bleeding from gunshot wounds from a deal gone bad?
who pays? me? you? hospital through private funding(hint..there's your answer)? government?
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Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:22 pm
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"Shouldn't" and "Don't" are 2 different things. Like cycle61 said one is cheaper then the other. I'd rather pay for the needles then the hospital stays and spread of disease. But hey that's just me.
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An unidentified male, mid 40's, wearing dirty clothes is delivered to an emergency room by an unrelated person who saw him collapse in the street, struggling to breathe. The triage team removes his outer jacket and discovers that he is running a fever of approximately 104 degrees despite the 40 and raining weather outside, and there appear to be numerous scars running lengthwise down his arms. As he is being admitted, the man loses consciousness and goes into cardiac arrest.
Wheel him back outside and dump him on the sidewalk?
Or..bleeding from gunshot wounds from a deal gone bad?
who pays? me? you? hospital through private funding(hint..there's your answer)? government?
Legalize drugs. Problem solved.
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Or..bleeding from gunshot wounds from a deal gone bad?
who pays? me? you? hospital through private funding(hint..there's your answer)? government?
I'm not sure if that was a yes or a no.
Do you wheel him back outside and leave him to die on the sidewalk?
Assuming we're not that heartless, for better or worse, he gets treated. Now, wouldn't it be cheaper if patient X had just used a clean needle? It's not about enabling drug use. It's about saving the taxpayers money over the long run.
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Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:53 pm
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Or..bleeding from gunshot wounds from a deal gone bad?
who pays? me? you? hospital through private funding(hint..there's your answer)? government?
I'm not sure if that was a yes or a no.
Do you wheel him back outside and leave him to die on the sidewalk?
Assuming we're not that heartless, for better or worse, he gets treated. Now, wouldn't it be cheaper if patient X had just used a clean needle? It's not about enabling drug use. It's about saving the taxpayers money over the long run.
That was a 'the taxpayer shouldn't pay for either'.
The hospital should collect from those willing to pay to assist others with their issues. Ie the guy that has a wing named after him.....he donated a shit ton of money.... Just luke a church runs its social programs off of community donations....
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Is needle exchange successful? YES. HIV infection among PWID has been shown to increase 6% per year on average in cities that do not have needle exchange. In contrast, HIV declined 6% per year among PWID in cities that have exchange programs.2 An Australian survey found that HIV prevalence declined 19% per year in cites with needle exchange compared to an 8% increase in cities that did not have exchange programs.3 In King County, the rate of HIV infection among PWID has remained low and stable for the past sixteen years, with only 3% of the local PWID population infected. King County's program has also been successful in getting PWID off the streets and into drug treatment. In the last two years, Public Health needle exchange program placed 739 people in drug treatment.
How much does needle exchange cost? King County spends $1.2 million/year on the needle exchange program. In contrast, life-time medical cost to treat one person who has HIV is estimated to be $385,200.4 By preventing infections in just three people per year, the needle exchange program pays for itself. By preventing HIV infections in just 1% of IDUs in King County, the program saves over $70 million in HIV-related medical costs. In this light needle exchange provides both a public health and an economic benefit to the residents of Seattle and King County.
Who pays for the needle exchange? The needle exchange is funded by disease prevention funds provided by Washington State, King County and the City of Seattle. Community-based agencies that provide needle exchange in King County may also receive private donations and grants from private foundations.
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Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:04 pm
TechnoWeenie
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Is needle exchange successful? YES. HIV infection among PWID has been shown to increase 6% per year on average in cities that do not have needle exchange. In contrast, HIV declined 6% per year among PWID in cities that have exchange programs.2 An Australian survey found that HIV prevalence declined 19% per year in cites with needle exchange compared to an 8% increase in cities that did not have exchange programs.3 In King County, the rate of HIV infection among PWID has remained low and stable for the past sixteen years, with only 3% of the local PWID population infected. King County's program has also been successful in getting PWID off the streets and into drug treatment. In the last two years, Public Health needle exchange program placed 739 people in drug treatment.
How much does needle exchange cost? King County spends $1.2 million/year on the needle exchange program. In contrast, life-time medical cost to treat one person who has HIV is estimated to be $385,200.4 By preventing infections in just three people per year, the needle exchange program pays for itself. By preventing HIV infections in just 1% of IDUs in King County, the program saves over $70 million in HIV-related medical costs. In this light needle exchange provides both a public health and an economic benefit to the residents of Seattle and King County.
Who pays for the needle exchange? The needle exchange is funded by disease prevention funds provided by Washington State, King County and the City of Seattle. Community-based agencies that provide needle exchange in King County may also receive private donations and grants from private foundations.
Again.... thats 1 mil in taxpayer dollars...
prevention is a straw man argument as we shouldn't be paying for their treatment as a result of the habit either.
If individuals wanna donate...let them...
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