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King County supporting drug use -distributing paraphernalia?
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Site Supporter   Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2014 Posts: 1357 
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TechnoWeenie wrote: Again.... thats 1 mil in taxpayer dollars... prevention is a straw man argument as we shouldn't be paying for their treatment as a result of the habit either. If individuals wanna donate...let them... And when the hospital doesn't have adequate privately donated resources to continue providing modern emergency care...? _________________ Massivedesign wrote: There is no such thing as 5.56 55gr.. |
| Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:35 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 19174 Real Name: Johnny 5
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cycle61 wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: Again.... thats 1 mil in taxpayer dollars... prevention is a straw man argument as we shouldn't be paying for their treatment as a result of the habit either. If individuals wanna donate...let them... And when the hospital doesn't have adequate privately donated resources to continue providing modern emergency care...? Use government agents, under threat of armed force, up to and including kicking down your door to take your posessions.. Because, that's what taxes are and what IRS does to people who don't pay... Does that sound right? _________________ NO DISASSEMBLE! Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." |
| Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:49 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Stanwood Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2012 Posts: 1919 Real Name: Chris
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Until such a time that a voluntary society is here, taxes are collected. As such I would prefer taxes go to shit like this, which actually helps(government has been known to get shit right occasionally). You see it as supporting drug use. I see it as curbing the spread of HIV
You would likely find this in private hands if the drug war were to end. |
| Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:53 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Richland, WA Joined: Sun Nov 25, 2012 Posts: 633 Real Name: Jay
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I generally do not support programs to give people free shit since approximately 30% of my income is taken under threat of force in the form of taxes and believe others should be contributing to society themselves instead of dragging everyone else down. But the fact of the matter is these people will be a drag on society regardless. With that view, if it makes fiscal sense then I say go for it. These programs do save money, just like giving free contraceptives and birth control. There is a net gain to the public since as things stand now we are supporting people who do not contribute anyways.
Now I would also support ending the war on drugs (not to mention many other victimless crimes) as it would greatly reduce the financial burden society has to pay even more. I still hope for the day where I'm free enough to snort a line of coke off a hookers ass. One can dream can't he? |
| Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:02 pm |
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 Location: Puyallup Joined: Thu Aug 16, 2012 Posts: 9063 Real Name: Richard Fitzwelliner
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I would rather have addicts get free needles and a sharps box to put them in instead of sharing a used needle and throwing it on the ground. Just because some one is an addict now doesn't mean that before they were an addict they were a terrible person and doesn't mean they won't kick the habit in the future and make something of themselves. Addiction is a hell of a thing, to this day it's something I have to deal with almost everyday. I'm past it but the temptation is always in my head even though I'm not around it. I've come up and own my house, paid off my cars and have 2 awesome kids. 8 years ago I had a crappy job a shitty car and partied really hard with lots of stuff. Letting people die because of an addiction is fucking bullshit
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| Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:52 pm |
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 Site Supporter  Location: Faxon, OK Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 Posts: 18063 Real Name: Chuck
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Won't obamacare fix this?
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| Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:04 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Puyallup Joined: Thu Jul 5, 2012 Posts: 3108 Real Name: Glenn(sted)
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Legalization of addictive drugs, will lead to more deaths, more homelessness and more negative contact.
Sure, that's really smart.... |
| Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:13 pm |
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Site Supporter Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2014 Posts: 1357
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STED9R wrote: Legalization of addictive drugs, will lead to more deaths, more homelessness and more negative contact. Sure, that's really smart.... Citation needed. You don't just get to make up facts. There's a decade-long experiment underway already, by the way: http://www.alternet.org/story/151635/te ... pened_next Quote: For those looking for clues about how the U.S. government can tackle its domestic drug problem, the figures are enticing. Following decriminalization, Portugal eventually found itself with the lowest rates of marijuana usage in people over 15 in the EU: about 10%. Compare this to the 40% of people over 12 who regularly smoke pot in the U.S., a country with some of the most punitive drugs laws in the developed world. Drug use of all kinds has declined in Portugal: Lifetime use among seventh to ninth graders fell from 14.01% to 10.6%. Lifetime heroin use among 16-18 year olds fell from 2.5% to 1.8%. And what about those horrific HIV infection rates that prompted the move in the first place? HIV infection rates among drug users fell by an incredible 17%, while drug related deaths were reduced by more than half. "There is no doubt that the phenomenon of addiction is in decline in Portugal," said Joao Goulao, President of the Institute of Drugs and Drugs Addiction, at a press conference to mark the 10th anniversary of the law. _________________ Massivedesign wrote: There is no such thing as 5.56 55gr.. |
| Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:15 pm |
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Site Supporter / FFL Dealer  Location: Seattle Joined: Fri Oct 28, 2011 Posts: 3418
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TechnoWeenie wrote: cycle61 wrote: An unidentified male, mid 40's, wearing dirty clothes is delivered to an emergency room by an unrelated person who saw him collapse in the street, struggling to breathe. The triage team removes his outer jacket and discovers that he is running a fever of approximately 104 degrees despite the 40 and raining weather outside, and there appear to be numerous scars running lengthwise down his arms. As he is being admitted, the man loses consciousness and goes into cardiac arrest. Wheel him back outside and dump him on the sidewalk? Or..bleeding from gunshot wounds from a deal gone bad? who pays? me? you? hospital through private funding(hint..there's your answer)? government? I said it before, and I'll say it again, unless you pay $13k in taxes for a family of 4, SHUT THE F*CK UP about taxes. You are not even covering the military expenses which you yourself voted in when you supported Republicans. You are certainly NOT paying for the social programs. Leave complaining about those to people who are actually covering them. |
| Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:54 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 19174 Real Name: Johnny 5
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solyanik wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: cycle61 wrote: An unidentified male, mid 40's, wearing dirty clothes is delivered to an emergency room by an unrelated person who saw him collapse in the street, struggling to breathe. The triage team removes his outer jacket and discovers that he is running a fever of approximately 104 degrees despite the 40 and raining weather outside, and there appear to be numerous scars running lengthwise down his arms. As he is being admitted, the man loses consciousness and goes into cardiac arrest. Wheel him back outside and dump him on the sidewalk? Or..bleeding from gunshot wounds from a deal gone bad? who pays? me? you? hospital through private funding(hint..there's your answer)? government? I said it before, and I'll say it again, unless you pay $13k in taxes for a family of 4, SHUT THE F*CK UP about taxes. You are not even covering the military expenses which you yourself voted in when you supported Republicans. You are certainly NOT paying for the social programs. Leave complaining about those to people who are actually covering them. I voted republican?.. shit.... didn't know that.. If only that family of 4 had some sort of tax credit..where..I dunno.... they could pay ZERO taxes and STILL get money back from the IRS.... _________________ NO DISASSEMBLE! Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." |
| Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:00 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: RENTON Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 Posts: 20841 Real Name: John
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cycle61 wrote: An unidentified male, mid 40's, wearing dirty clothes is delivered to an emergency room by an unrelated person who saw him collapse in the street, struggling to breathe. The triage team removes his outer jacket and discovers that he is running a fever of approximately 104 degrees despite the 40 and raining weather outside, and there appear to be numerous scars running lengthwise down his arms. As he is being admitted, the man loses consciousness and goes into cardiac arrest. Wheel him back outside and dump him on the sidewalk? No you don't. The only thing that separates us from Animals is empathy. I take a dim view of leeches on our society, but I will be damned if I will let a human being die over money. ...and I pay a lot more than 13K in taxes a year. I hope some of it is spent buying clean fuckin' needles to help prevent further spread of disease. That's a bargain compared to the above scenario. _________________ Mr. Q wrote: so basically, if you have to smoke some asshole, make sure they become fertilizer and then Bounce? got it. Guntrader wrote: Huh, maybe I was an asshole. NRA Member/RSO SAF 5 Year Donor GOA Member |
| Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:45 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Seattle Joined: Mon May 16, 2011 Posts: 4459
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TechnoWeenie wrote: solyanik wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: cycle61 wrote: An unidentified male, mid 40's, wearing dirty clothes is delivered to an emergency room by an unrelated person who saw him collapse in the street, struggling to breathe. The triage team removes his outer jacket and discovers that he is running a fever of approximately 104 degrees despite the 40 and raining weather outside, and there appear to be numerous scars running lengthwise down his arms. As he is being admitted, the man loses consciousness and goes into cardiac arrest. Wheel him back outside and dump him on the sidewalk? Or..bleeding from gunshot wounds from a deal gone bad? who pays? me? you? hospital through private funding(hint..there's your answer)? government? I said it before, and I'll say it again, unless you pay $13k in taxes for a family of 4, SHUT THE F*CK UP about taxes. You are not even covering the military expenses which you yourself voted in when you supported Republicans. You are certainly NOT paying for the social programs. Leave complaining about those to people who are actually covering them. I voted republican?.. shit.... didn't know that.. If only that family of 4 had some sort of tax credit..where..I dunno.... they could pay ZERO taxes and STILL get money back from the IRS.... Who cares how you voted or how much taxes you pay. Last I heard you don't live in King County and aren't paying for this program. So as said before, Shut the Fuck Up! Oh, and pull your head out of your ass so you can see the big picture. _________________ Private sales should be private! |
| Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:09 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 19174 Real Name: Johnny 5
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Quote: Who cares how you voted or how much taxes you pay. Last I heard you don't live in King County and aren't paying for this program. So as said before, Shut the Fuck Up! Oh, and pull your head out of your ass so you can see the big picture. it's funded at the state level. If you pay any taxes in WA, you're most likely contributing to the program. Does anyone know what an enabler is? _________________ NO DISASSEMBLE! Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." |
| Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:46 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Airway heights Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2011 Posts: 12198 Real Name: Michael
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kf7mjf wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: cycle61 wrote: An unidentified male, mid 40's, wearing dirty clothes is delivered to an emergency room by an unrelated person who saw him collapse in the street, struggling to breathe. The triage team removes his outer jacket and discovers that he is running a fever of approximately 104 degrees despite the 40 and raining weather outside, and there appear to be numerous scars running lengthwise down his arms. As he is being admitted, the man loses consciousness and goes into cardiac arrest. Wheel him back outside and dump him on the sidewalk? Or..bleeding from gunshot wounds from a deal gone bad? who pays? me? you? hospital through private funding(hint..there's your answer)? government? Legalize drugs. Problem solved. Once the war on drugs is over people will stop robbing liquor stores for money to buy drugs they will walk in and pay with cash or credit cards on thier lunch break. They will become doctor's and lawyers and military personnel. Maybe even cops so on thier lunch break they can slam 30cc's of done good black tar. Oh and for the record KOMO (maybe KIRO) just did a story about the huge up swing if school kids that are smoking dope now it's legal so I guess it's working out great. Yo those that say drugs are a victimless crime have never lived in a home with a drug addict every member of that family is a victim. If you don't believe me try it for yourself. One last thing thier life is not my fault I should not have to pay for it if you don't agree with that let me know I will send you the bill for my hot tub  _________________ ANZAC wrote: That one that says "From my cold dead hands..... will require a background check" He who does not punish evil commands it to be done. --- Leonardo DaVinci When its time to go in: That place of steel and stone. I pray that you will keep me safe, so I will not walk alone. Help me to do my duty, please watch me on my rounds. Amongst those perilous places and slamming steel door sounds. God, keep my fellow Officers well and free from harm. Let them know I'll be there too, whenever there's alarm. Above all when I walk my beat, no matter where I roam. Let me go back whence I came, to family and home Author unknown. |
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Site Supporter  Location: Olympia Joined: Sat Oct 29, 2011 Posts: 16026 Real Name: Steve
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People were not knocking over stores back when you could buy the stuff over the counter. Just saying. Prohibition doesn't work. perhaps you are familiar with some experiments in that area? After all banning alcohol stopped people from drinking, and banning guns has prevented shootings.
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