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Re: King County supporting drug use -distributing parapherna
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:02 pm
by Soldier_Citizen
Ok... So I have been lucky enough to be stuck by needles not once, but twice at my work... And my eldest son was almost stuck while at the playground...
I feel no sympathy on these people, I don't give a rats ass what bad things have happened in their life, we all have had bad things happen, not all of us turn to drugs. And I feel no sadness for those not willing to help themselves
Man made narcotics are the plague of our generation. And I'm sorry but "victimless crime" my ass. What about the family members of these "people", what about the people that they have done god knows what to, stole from friends and or family, or maybe burglarized someone, maybe held someone up, possibly even stabbed, shot or otherwise did bodily harm to someone in order to "get their fix".... Yea victimless crime my ass.
I can't stand drug users and and I think their "dealers"
Should be taken out and shot. And the makers, and cartels should be intentionally o.d.'d on their own drug.
Re: King County supporting drug use -distributing parapherna
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:07 pm
by Captain90s
And I'm not condoning their drug use, but rather acknowledging that they're gonna do it anyway, and would rather they have a way to dispose of their needles safely rather than make the risk of you or me or any of our kids getting stuck with a dirty needle greater.
Re: King County supporting drug use -distributing parapherna
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:09 pm
by kf7mjf
You realize doing away with the black market should greatly reduce crime? Your arguments sound similar to those that lead to the Volstead Act, and we know how *that* turned out.
Re: King County supporting drug use -distributing parapherna
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:32 pm
by CQBgopher
kf7mjf wrote:You realize doing away with the black market
I thought Lincoln already did that.
Re: King County supporting drug use -distributing parapherna
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:40 pm
by kf7mjf
dan360 wrote:kf7mjf wrote:You realize doing away with the black market
I thought Lincoln already did that.
I lol'd. A lot.
Re: King County supporting drug use -distributing parapherna
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:59 pm
by mash man
kf7mjf wrote:You realize doing away with the black market should greatly reduce crime? Your arguments sound similar to those that lead to the Volstead Act, and we know how *that* turned out.
Do you truly believe that will stop anything? Do you think once it's ok they will go get jobs? Pay taxes (13K a year)? Or even stop all together? If so you must be at that BK exchanging your own needle's ask it will do is give easier access to drugs as proven buy I502 the drug use among HIGH School kids had jumped up since it's been legalized (not by the Fed's)
Re: King County supporting drug use -distributing parapherna
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:02 pm
by kf7mjf
It will stop much of the black market and associated crime. And that is a big start.
Re: King County supporting drug use -distributing parapherna
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:04 pm
by kf7mjf
And the illegal actions of children are not my concern. That's the job of parents. Somehow we can deal with the legal sale of alcohol. A few more drugs won't matter.
Re: King County supporting drug use -distributing parapherna
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:32 pm
by mash man
kf7mjf wrote:It will stop much of the black market and associated crime. And that is a big start.
How do you figure? You have to explain that one!
kf7mjf wrote:And the illegal actions of children are not my concern. That's the job of parents. Somehow we can deal with the legal sale of alcohol. A few more drugs won't matter.
That's not your concern? But making sure drugs are much more easily accessible is to adults and kids is? Wow you must be on some good stuff.
Re: King County supporting drug use -distributing parapherna
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:34 pm
by CurtisLemansky
Soldier_Citizen wrote: "victimless crime" my ass.
The specific act of using drugs is victimless by definition.
Soldier_Citizen wrote:what about the people that they have done god knows what to, stole from friends and or family, or maybe burglarized someone, maybe held someone up, possibly even stabbed, shot or otherwise did bodily harm to someone in order to "get their fix".
What difference does the motive make? Those are crimes because they violate another's rights and they are committed often by those not driven by drugs. Why isn't it then illegal to be mentally ill? Or to be a sociopath? Or a selfish asshole? Those things also drive many people to commit the acts you list. So why not outlaw that too? Oh, right... because that sounds ridiculous.
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Re: King County supporting drug use -distributing parapherna
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:47 pm
by cycle61
mash man wrote:kf7mjf wrote:It will stop much of the black market and associated crime. And that is a big start.
How do you figure? You have to explain that one!
Umm...things that are legal generally have a weak or nonexistent black market, and little crime associated with their acquisition and distribution. For instance...alcohol.
Re: King County supporting drug use -distributing parapherna
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:59 pm
by kf7mjf
Mash... things that are legal don't have much incentive to be sold on a black market. That's why black markets exist, to facilitate the movement of goods that are illegal or heavily controlled. Eliminate the incentive to have a black market, the crime associated with them drops.
As far as children. No, that is not my problem. They are the problem of their parents or legal guardian. It is not my responsibility to see that somebody's child doesn't get a beer, or a cigarette, or a joint, or a handgun.
Re: King County supporting drug use -distributing parapherna
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:01 pm
by mash man
cycle61 wrote:mash man wrote:kf7mjf wrote:It will stop much of the black market and associated crime. And that is a big start.
How do you figure? You have to explain that one!
Umm...things that are legal generally have a weak or nonexistent black market, and little crime associated with their acquisition and distribution. For instance...alcohol.
It's much harder and very expensive to boot leg however crime has not gone down since dope had become "legal"
Re: King County supporting drug use -distributing parapherna
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:04 pm
by mash man
kf7mjf wrote:Mash... things that are legal don't have much incentive to be sold on a black market. That's why black markets exist, to facilitate the movement of goods that are illegal or heavily controlled. Eliminate the incentive to have a black market, the crime associated with them drops.
As far as children. No, that is not my problem. They are the problem of their parents or legal guardian. It is not my responsibility to see that somebody's child doesn't get a beer, or a cigarette, or a joint, or a handgun.
You are too fast gone enjoy your drugs I hope it bring you all the happiness in the world
Just please don't ever ask why this country is going do far down hill so fast. If you must know it's because of people like you
Re: King County supporting drug use -distributing parapherna
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:05 pm
by cycle61
mash man wrote:It's much harder and very expensive to boot leg however crime gfs not gone down since dope had become "legal"
Unsupported statement. Washington has only have legal marijuana available for retail purchase for what, five months? That's not long enough to see a meaningful pattern.
When Colorado legalized weed more than a year ago, opponents of the move warned that crime would rise. But half a year after the first sales of recreational marijuana began, the state's biggest city has yet to see an increase in criminal activity.
During the first six months of 2014, violent crime in the city and county of Denver was down 3 percent from the same period in 2013, according to the most recent available data. Three of the four main categories of violent crime that are tracked in the data -- homicide, sexual assault and robbery -- are all down from the same six-month stretch last year. Aggravated assault, the fourth category, is up 2.2 percent.
Burglaries and robberies at the city's dispensaries of medical and/or recreational marijuana are on track to hit a three-year low, according to a separate report from Denver's Department of Safety, first reported by The Denver Post.
Overall, property crime in the city is down by more than 11 percent from the same six-month period of 2013.