The 'net is now neutered - FCC adopts new regs today

[XDM9cWA]

. . .let's stop arguing about the technicalities of the ruling, there's a time for that... let's argue about net neutrality as a whole...

Can't do that intelligently without the text.

the txt is not what defines net neutrality...

when the text comes out let's argue about the details.. until then let's argue about net neutrality... you don't need any text to know what that statement means...

you can be for neutrality but against the regulation when the details come out.... but it's talking out of one's ass to argue something nobody has seen...

so my arguments have been limited to the principle of net neutrality while people keep talking about a regulation that is not yet available... which is why we all end up talking about a different thing altogether..

so let's talk about what we can legitimately debate, and leave the rest for later...

so are you for or against net neutrality (ignore the details of the fcc ruling until later when the text is out... we don't even know if it accomplishes net neutrality)

[DocNugent]

. . . so are you for or against net neutrality (ignore the details of the fcc ruling until later when the text is out... we don't even know if it accomplishes net neutrality)

I'M TOTALLY FOR NET NEUTRALITY as long as it means I get free top-speed internet access as part of my Social Security benefits. And since it's a utility now, I'd like to be able to get that signal through any 120v outlet in my home. Anything less isn't net neutrality at all according to people such as I.

[XDM9cWA]

. . . so are you for or against net neutrality (ignore the details of the fcc ruling until later when the text is out... we don't even know if it accomplishes net neutrality)

I'M TOTALLY FOR NET NEUTRALITY as long as it means I get free top-speed internet access as part of my Social Security benefits. And since it's a utility now, I'd like to be able to get that signal through any 120v outlet in my home. Anything less isn't net neutrality at all according to people such as I.

nice... now I know there's no point in discussing this with you...

thanks for the heads up... I'm out of the discussion

[kf7mjf]

Stop smoking that Canadian bacon Doc. Trying to conflate telecommunications utilities with electric utilities will leave you disappointed. Apples and oranges.

[DocNugent]

Stop smoking that Canadian bacon Doc. Trying to conflate telecommunications utilities with electric utilities will leave you disappointed. Apples and oranges.

I figure my pipe dream ("What net neutrality means to me") is as valid as any other pipe dream.

Dictionary or industry definitions don't mean a damn thing once a government dick tater enters the field of play. If common sense ruled, a .22LR SBR wouldn't be taxed at a higher rate than a AR-15 with 16" barrel.

[snozzberries]

. . . so are you for or against net neutrality (ignore the details of the fcc ruling until later when the text is out... we don't even know if it accomplishes net neutrality)

I'M TOTALLY FOR NET NEUTRALITY as long as it means I get free top-speed internet access as part of my Social Security benefits. And since it's a utility now, I'd like to be able to get that signal through any 120v outlet in my home. Anything less isn't net neutrality at all according to people such as I.

What you are talking about is actually possible. It's called Powerline networking. http://www.cnet.com/topics/networking/b ... -adapters/

[kf7mjf]

Unless they fixed the RF issues, broadband over powerline isn't going anywhere.

[Classic]

The Net has always been neutral but recently the companies that have improved it locally feel that they have the right to "throttle some" while giving "paid advertisers" more bandwidth. Net neutrality is good for the little guy, bad for big business which is why they (Comcast, Cox, Time Warner & others) are challenging this in court.
They are attempting to muscle Netflix out of business while they replace them with their own version or subscriber - showtime, hbo, showtime - retake the subscription base.
THIS IS A GOOD THING!

[skey]

Unless they fixed the RF issues, broadband over powerline isn't going anywhere.

The line loss alone alone will probably kill that idea. And you want what? 14.4k? OK.

[kf7mjf]

Unless they fixed the RF issues, broadband over powerline isn't going anywhere.

The line loss alone alone will probably kill that idea. And you want what? 14.4k? OK.

It's been a while since I read up on it, but it was really promising. The problem is, it pretty much drowned out the shortwave bands, and there was no easy fix on the horizon.

[Captain90s]

The Net has always been neutral but recently the companies that have improved it locally feel that they have the right to "throttle some" while giving "paid advertisers" more bandwidth. Net neutrality is good for the little guy, bad for big business which is why they (Comcast, Cox, Time Warner & others) are challenging this in court.
They are attempting to muscle Netflix out of business while they replace them with their own version or subscriber - showtime, hbo, showtime - retake the subscription base.
THIS IS A GOOD THING!

Excellent way of phrasing it.

[snozzberries]

The Net has always been neutral but recently the companies that have improved it locally feel that they have the right to "throttle some" while giving "paid advertisers" more bandwidth. Net neutrality is good for the little guy, bad for big business which is why they (Comcast, Cox, Time Warner & others) are challenging this in court.
They are attempting to muscle Netflix out of business while they replace them with their own version or subscriber - showtime, hbo, showtime - retake the subscription base.
THIS IS A GOOD THING!

Excellent way of phrasing it.

As everybody drops cable TV and migrates to TV streaming on the internet, the cable monopolies see their user base disintegrating and them becoming "just another internet provider". They don't want their business model to turn into a utility, where nobody really cares who they get electricity (internet) from, it just works. They can forsee their irrelevance rapidly approaching, which kills the giant profits they make and strict control over media. Thus they started to leverage their monopolies to double charge for the same data (charge Netflix AND charge their user base), to charge for preferential services (google goes faster than bing), and to slow down the competition and things they "don't like". (Netflix, bittorrent) This is all anti-competitive and anti-consumer activity which MUST be stopped.

This is nothing more than monopolies trying to keep the status quo and refuse to change with the times. They could have created their own Netflix, but they loved their monopoly too much. Just like Apple now runs Music when the studios failed to adapt, so will Netflix/Hulu run video as the cable providers fail to adapt. We might consider it common sense that you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, but the large conglomerates would rather offer vinegar to their users and try to strong-arm higher profits, rather than offering honey in the forms of advanced services. Old people/companies are set in their ways and don't like change. Innovation disrupts established business models, creating new opportunities.

I for one am excited about the rapid disintegration of these entities as they are inherently dangerous. Comcast wants to be vertically oriented, controlling not only the tv stations you watch but also the wires running to your house in order to control the entire flow of information into your homes. They actually claim the data flowing over the internet is THEIR SPEECH, not yours. This is about control of information. Already what you see and read on the internet are picked and chosen by algorithms based upon what you click and what you read. They end up showing you stuff that you want to see, leaving you in your own little bubble. This reinforces the beliefs you already have (confirmation bias), leading people to be delusional and not even realizing it. People that think the world is flat see nothing but articles and webpages about the world being flat.

Freedom of information is what empowers people and helped build this country. Knowledge is power. Right now, we the people are retaking control. The corporations are scared shitless.

[edogg]

This is about control of information. Already what you see and read on the internet are picked and chosen by algorithms based upon what you click and what you read. They end up showing you stuff that you want to see, leaving you in your own little bubble. This reinforces the beliefs you already have (confirmation bias), leading people to be delusional and not even realizing it. People that think the world is flat see nothing but articles and webpages about the world being flat.

Freedom of information is what empowers people and helped build this country. Knowledge is power. Right now, we the people are retaking control. The corporations are scared shitless.

And this is something you trust an unelected federal agency with?

We the people haven't taken over anything. We the three letter agency have. And that's scarier than a publicly held company having control.

[skey]

. . . so are you for or against net neutrality (ignore the details of the fcc ruling until later when the text is out... we don't even know if it accomplishes net neutrality)

I'M TOTALLY FOR NET NEUTRALITY as long as it means I get free top-speed internet access as part of my Social Security benefits. And since it's a utility now, I'd like to be able to get that signal through any 120v outlet in my home. Anything less isn't net neutrality at all according to people such as I.

What you are talking about is actually possible. It's called Powerline networking. http://www.cnet.com/topics/networking/b ... -adapters/

Cool. Now we can shop online and download it to the microwave. Hey Doc, Bacons On!

[XDM9cWA]

This is about control of information. Already what you see and read on the internet are picked and chosen by algorithms based upon what you click and what you read. They end up showing you stuff that you want to see, leaving you in your own little bubble. This reinforces the beliefs you already have (confirmation bias), leading people to be delusional and not even realizing it. People that think the world is flat see nothing but articles and webpages about the world being flat.

Freedom of information is what empowers people and helped build this country. Knowledge is power. Right now, we the people are retaking control. The corporations are scared shitless.

And this is something you trust an unelected federal agency with?

We the people haven't taken over anything. We the three letter agency have. And that's scarier than a publicly held company having control.

Really you'd rather have all control go to big business?