The 'net is now neutered - FCC adopts new regs today

[rayjax82]

This is about control of information. Already what you see and read on the internet are picked and chosen by algorithms based upon what you click and what you read. They end up showing you stuff that you want to see, leaving you in your own little bubble. This reinforces the beliefs you already have (confirmation bias), leading people to be delusional and not even realizing it. People that think the world is flat see nothing but articles and webpages about the world being flat.

Freedom of information is what empowers people and helped build this country. Knowledge is power. Right now, we the people are retaking control. The corporations are scared shitless.

And this is something you trust an unelected federal agency with?

We the people haven't taken over anything. We the three letter agency have. And that's scarier than a publicly held company having control.

Really you'd rather have all control go to big business?

Based on what I've seen from politicians and unelected bureaucrats.

Yes.

I have a feeling we're getting more than just net neutrality with this regulatory power grab. But we will have to wait until the regs come out.

[kf7mjf]

And the irony is it's the right wing commissioners stalling the release.

[Classic]

And the irony is it's the right wing commissioners stalling the release.

Republicans have always been pro business because they create the jobs of the people who pay the taxes so this doesn't surprise me at all.

[snozzberries]

This is about control of information. Already what you see and read on the internet are picked and chosen by algorithms based upon what you click and what you read. They end up showing you stuff that you want to see, leaving you in your own little bubble. This reinforces the beliefs you already have (confirmation bias), leading people to be delusional and not even realizing it. People that think the world is flat see nothing but articles and webpages about the world being flat.

Freedom of information is what empowers people and helped build this country. Knowledge is power. Right now, we the people are retaking control. The corporations are scared shitless.

And this is something you trust an unelected federal agency with?

We the people haven't taken over anything. We the three letter agency have. And that's scarier than a publicly held company having control.

Really you'd rather have all control go to big business?

Based on what I've seen from politicians and unelected bureaucrats.

Yes.

I have a feeling we're getting more than just net neutrality with this regulatory power grab. But we will have to wait until the regs come out.

Of the People, By the People, For the People.
Of the Corporation, By the Employees, For the Shareholders.

If our government is working properly it is a far better idea to put the control in their (our) hands than in the hands of a few elite Shareholders. Unfortunately our Government is Of the Elite, by the Elite, For the Elite. It's turned into an Aristocracy.

[XDM9cWA]

While govt may be incompetent, big money are out to squeeze you on purpose. ..

Ill take my chances with incompetent. ..

[Pablo]

When you guys get this worked out, let me know. I know my bill will go up. That's a given.

[edogg]

[quote="snozzberries"]
This is about control of information. Already what you see and read on the internet are picked and chosen by algorithms based upon what you click and what you read. They end up showing you stuff that you want to see, leaving you in your own little bubble. This reinforces the beliefs you already have (confirmation bias), leading people to be delusional and not even realizing it. People that think the world is flat see nothing but articles and webpages about the world being flat.

Freedom of information is what empowers people and helped build this country. Knowledge is power. Right now, we the people are retaking control. The corporations are scared shitless.

And this is something you trust an unelected federal agency with?

We the people haven't taken over anything. We the three letter agency have. And that's scarier than a publicly held company having control.

Really you'd rather have all control go to big business?

Based on what I've seen from politicians and unelected bureaucrats.

Yes.

I have a feeling we're getting more than just net neutrality with this regulatory power grab. But we will have to wait until the regs come out.

Of the People, By the People, For the People.
Of the Corporation, By the Employees, For the Shareholders.

If our government is working properly it is a far better idea to put the control in their (our) hands than in the hands of a few elite Shareholders. Unfortunately our Government is Of the Elite, by the Elite, For the Elite. It's turned into an Aristocracy.[/quote]

You realize that it's easy to become a shareholder, right? And if you have a 401(k), you might very well already be one through your fund.

[kf7mjf]

When you guys get this worked out, let me know. I know my bill will go up. That's a given.

Did your bill go up when regulation allowed you to choose your long distance phone carrier?

[rayjax82]

Couple things.

1. Passing regulatory power to unelected bureaucrats is anything but, "of the people by the people". In fact it's the direct opposite. We gun owners fight this battle all the time.

2. Make no mistake. This wasn't the people vs big business. This was content providers vs pipeline providers. Content providers won, and government gets to centralize the Internet. Which will likely have a whole host of unintended consequences.

3. Our government doesn't work properly. The right and left are both bought and sold, while you and I stand around and get assfucked with a giant red white and blue penis.


So like I said. What you and I think this means for the concept of net neutrality and what will actually happen are likely two different things. So let's wait and see what regulatory burdens this imposes before we throw a party.

[rayjax82]

While govt may be incompetent, big money are out to squeeze you on purpose. ..

Ill take my chances with incompetent. ..

Incompetent leads to your door getting kicked in, your dog shot, and your kid disfigured with a flashbang. And you get to pay for it.

[snozzberries]

2. Make no mistake. This wasn't the people vs big business. This was content providers vs pipeline providers. Content providers won, and government gets to centralize the Internet. Which will likely have a whole host of unintended consequences.

It was pipeline providers vs consumers, and apparently consumers won.
It might have also been pipeline providers vs content providers, we don't know if that is in the legislation. If it is, then content providers also won.

This isn't going to centralize the internet. That's not technically possible because the internet is a mesh, not a star. The internet can't work as a star.

[XDM9cWA]

While govt may be incompetent, big money are out to squeeze you on purpose. ..

Ill take my chances with incompetent. ..

Incompetent leads to your door getting kicked in, your dog shot, and your kid disfigured with a flashbang. And you get to pay for it.

So you prefer blackwater kick your door in? privatize law enforcement and jails and expect no abuse?

At least with the govt we have a semblance of control... even if its farcical... big money reports to big money only

Btw the federal reserve bank is not govt and is a private business.. look how that's working

[kf7mjf]

The Fed is a government chartered and regulated central bank. It actually does it's job fairly well.

[rayjax82]

While govt may be incompetent, big money are out to squeeze you on purpose. ..

Ill take my chances with incompetent. ..

Incompetent leads to your door getting kicked in, your dog shot, and your kid disfigured with a flashbang. And you get to pay for it.

So you prefer blackwater kick your door in? privatize law enforcement and jails and expect no abuse?

At least with the govt we have a semblance of control... even if its farcical... big money reports to big money only

Btw the federal reserve bank is not govt and is a private business.. look how that's working

At the very least I could sue blackwater and actually get some compensation for their mistake. With the government they just flip you the bird and tell you to fuck yourself, what are you going to do about it?

But thats a strawman argument, because I prefer government respect its constitutional limitations at the very least. That may just preclude it from kicking in doors.

As far as the fed goes, its monopoly on currency creation is protected by government fiat. So while it may be private in some sense of the word, federal regulations give it the power it has.

The Fed is a government chartered and regulated central bank. It actually does it's job fairly well.

[rayjax82]

2. Make no mistake. This wasn't the people vs big business. This was content providers vs pipeline providers. Content providers won, and government gets to centralize the Internet. Which will likely have a whole host of unintended consequences.

It was pipeline providers vs consumers, and apparently consumers won.
It might have also been pipeline providers vs content providers, we don't know if that is in the legislation. If it is, then content providers also won.

This isn't going to centralize the internet. That's not technically possible because the internet is a mesh, not a star. The internet can't work as a star.

So what you're telling me is Amazon, Netflix, or any other content providers are not benefiting from this financially?