The 'net is now neutered - FCC adopts new regs today

[kf7mjf]

Because Windows 8 works sooo great right . It sucks but we all know you know so much more that all of us on everything .

You use Windows?

Can I send you a Linux boot drive?

When you are installing Linux, you are installing Communism!

It's true! Cuba, North Korea and China all have made state sponsored Linux distributions!

Also, the NSA basically wrote the entire code for SELinux.

[CurtisLemansky]

As a dev manager working in Internet infrastructure (and who had in the past worked on Gmail, Google Maps, etc), let me correct a few misconceptions.
1) healthcare.gov is "the most expensive website in fucking human history" - this is quite obviously not true. More or less any prime Internet property- Facebook, Google (search, Maps, Gmail), Bing, Amazon, even AOL are VASTLY more expensive than healthcare.gov. Many orders of magnitude more. People who think that $600M is expensive when it comes to developing a massively distributed online property have absolutely ZERO clue. Negative clue actually - they spew shit about things they fundamentally do not understand. You know what Google's R&D budget is? Well, according to their 70-20-10 rule, 70% of that goes into search and ads.

2) healthcare.gov is a trainwreck due to issues on release. Again, BULLSHIT. Almost every software application sucks in v1. You know what Windows was in v1? Facebook? Google search? No, you don't - because you did not have Faux "News" "analysts" watching it though the microscope, and, more importantly, you didn't have several million people who tried to use it right after the release. The reality is, almost every private website - from safeway.com to alaskaair.com - goes through initial phase where it's more or less useless, then improves over time. No difference - all these web sites are developed by the same Indian contractors, using the same technology/process/whatever. Yes, these dev teams are not Microsoft or Google, but you know what? As a taxpayers paying the current measly 35% or 40% or whatever it is top tax bracket, you can't afford Microsoft of Google developers. If I were to do it, it would probably work well on launch - but cost 3 times as much, and take twice the time to launch.

So - dear Internet skeptics, climate skeptics, evolution skeptics - can you please be skeptical about something you actually UNDERSTAND instead? Or maybe spend 10-20 years understanding it, and THEN be skeptical about it, how does this sound? I know it's going to be a lot less fun - but trust me, you will look a lot less insane.

So you're saying Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc all spent over $600m on their v 1.0 sites? That's hilarious.


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[WaJim]

As a dev manager working in Internet infrastructure (and who had in the past worked on Gmail, Google Maps, etc), let me correct a few misconceptions.
1) healthcare.gov is "the most expensive website in fucking human history" - this is quite obviously not true. More or less any prime Internet property- Facebook, Google (search, Maps, Gmail), Bing, Amazon, even AOL are VASTLY more expensive than healthcare.gov. Many orders of magnitude more. People who think that $600M is expensive when it comes to developing a massively distributed online property have absolutely ZERO clue. Negative clue actually - they spew shit about things they fundamentally do not understand. You know what Google's R&D budget is? Well, according to their 70-20-10 rule, 70% of that goes into search and ads.

2) healthcare.gov is a trainwreck due to issues on release. Again, BULLSHIT. Almost every software application sucks in v1. You know what Windows was in v1? Facebook? Google search? No, you don't - because you did not have Faux "News" "analysts" watching it though the microscope, and, more importantly, you didn't have several million people who tried to use it right after the release. The reality is, almost every private website - from safeway.com to alaskaair.com - goes through initial phase where it's more or less useless, then improves over time. No difference - all these web sites are developed by the same Indian contractors, using the same technology/process/whatever. Yes, these dev teams are not Microsoft or Google, but you know what? As a taxpayers paying the current measly 35% or 40% or whatever it is top tax bracket, you can't afford Microsoft of Google developers. If I were to do it, it would probably work well on launch - but cost 3 times as much, and take twice the time to launch.

So - dear Internet skeptics, climate skeptics, evolution skeptics - can you please be skeptical about something you actually UNDERSTAND instead? Or maybe spend 10-20 years understanding it, and THEN be skeptical about it, how does this sound? I know it's going to be a lot less fun - but trust me, you will look a lot less insane.

So you're saying Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc all spent over $600m on their v 1.0 sites? That's hilarious.


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Yep, thats the way I see it. (sarcasm)

Sorry, I'm not going to argue this shit because to me its plain as day. Not in the mood.

Use all the big words and site your schooling prowess......talk in circles like a couple politicians but its gonna be hard to disprove Curtis's claim.

My Question.

Why not have an American company that has built sucessful sites build an extremely important, VITAL to millions of Americans, Health Care site when you can hire some fucking podunk Montreal beginner to do it all fucked up for a half a billion.


Gotta be the old addage.....

Its not who you know but who youre blowing......or better yet both.






Makes as much sense as Net Neutrality.....

Blowing major money and fixing something that isnt broken.

[solyanik]

Nope - Inglorious Basterds. TV can't lie!

But Enemy at the Gates was a perfectly correct example of the oppressive Soviets right?

Actually I thought Enemy at the Gates was a pretty correct movie, in terms of attitudes and approaches during WWII. At least from the Soviet side - I know very little about German one.

It's been a while, but I thought some of the stuff was a bit over the top for the benefit of the American market/perception of the USSR. I believe the "one man gets a loaded rifle, another man gets a clip of ammo" was drawn from events that happened in WWI though, not WWII?

WWII was very nasty, and yes, these things did happen. There was extreme brutality on both sides.

[solyanik]

As a dev manager working in Internet infrastructure (and who had in the past worked on Gmail, Google Maps, etc), let me correct a few misconceptions.
1) healthcare.gov is "the most expensive website in fucking human history" - this is quite obviously not true. More or less any prime Internet property- Facebook, Google (search, Maps, Gmail), Bing, Amazon, even AOL are VASTLY more expensive than healthcare.gov. Many orders of magnitude more. People who think that $600M is expensive when it comes to developing a massively distributed online property have absolutely ZERO clue. Negative clue actually - they spew shit about things they fundamentally do not understand. You know what Google's R&D budget is? Well, according to their 70-20-10 rule, 70% of that goes into search and ads.

2) healthcare.gov is a trainwreck due to issues on release. Again, BULLSHIT. Almost every software application sucks in v1. You know what Windows was in v1? Facebook? Google search? No, you don't - because you did not have Faux "News" "analysts" watching it though the microscope, and, more importantly, you didn't have several million people who tried to use it right after the release. The reality is, almost every private website - from safeway.com to alaskaair.com - goes through initial phase where it's more or less useless, then improves over time. No difference - all these web sites are developed by the same Indian contractors, using the same technology/process/whatever. Yes, these dev teams are not Microsoft or Google, but you know what? As a taxpayers paying the current measly 35% or 40% or whatever it is top tax bracket, you can't afford Microsoft of Google developers. If I were to do it, it would probably work well on launch - but cost 3 times as much, and take twice the time to launch.

So - dear Internet skeptics, climate skeptics, evolution skeptics - can you please be skeptical about something you actually UNDERSTAND instead? Or maybe spend 10-20 years understanding it, and THEN be skeptical about it, how does this sound? I know it's going to be a lot less fun - but trust me, you will look a lot less insane.

So you're saying Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc all spent over $600m on their v 1.0 sites? That's hilarious.


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No. I am saying that by the time Google, Amazon, Facebook, etc reached the same QPS rate as healthcare.gov, they have spent far more. FAR more.

[kf7mjf]

WWII was very nasty, and yes, these things did happen. There was extreme brutality on both sides.

Agreed, it was not the noble, heroic war of propaganda.

[APA]

[XDM9cWA]

except that the problems were real and were happening... this is not some theoretical scenario.. it already happened

comcast arm twisted netflix by throttling it's service until it paid up.. and was on the path to arm twist every other major online company before the ruling came into effect...

actually the only reason this thing is happening is because it's big money against big money... in this case, the consumer happens to be on the beneficial end as well since we are paying for the content that was being throttled..

basically you pay for cable internet.. but comcast also wants your content provider to pay them to transmit the content that you already paid access to...

[solyanik]

Conservatives: have neither background in, nor a fucking clue about either science or engineering, yet feel entitled to strong opinions on building software and climate research. Sigh. What's Biblical approach to quantum mechanics again?

[kf7mjf]

What's Biblical approach to quantum mechanics again?

Mountain moving faith. Duh.

Please take note of all the mountains moved by faith of late.

Or miracles.

[CurtisLemansky]

Conservatives: have neither background in, nor a fucking clue about either science or engineering, yet feel entitled to strong opinions on building software and climate research. Sigh. What's Biblical approach to quantum mechanics again?

Not a single conservative has ever studied science or engineering? Cite plz.


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[heavychevy1]

hey doc why so sad

Hmm, im excited to have another utility get old and outdated, never to be updated, and for politicians to lie about and promise great new changes during elections. I'm just glad the RIAA and MPAA didn't get their way with it.. Hopefully My speed gets faster! At least I got and F+ instead of a minus.

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[solyanik]

Conservatives: have neither background in, nor a fucking clue about either science or engineering, yet feel entitled to strong opinions on building software and climate research. Sigh. What's Biblical approach to quantum mechanics again?

Not a single conservative has ever studied science or engineering? Cite plz.


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Sure some do! They just tend to not do fantastically well among their own crowd.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicol ... party.html

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... s-changed/

[TechnoWeenie]

except that the problems were real and were happening... this is not some theoretical scenario.. it already happened

comcast arm twisted netflix by throttling it's service until it paid up.. and was on the path to arm twist every other major online company before the ruling came into effect...

actually the only reason this thing is happening is because it's big money against big money... in this case, the consumer happens to be on the beneficial end as well since we are paying for the content that was being throttled..

basically you pay for cable internet.. but comcast also wants your content provider to pay them to transmit the content that you already paid access to...

Hmm....

Heavier users pay higher rates..... Where have I heard that before?

Oh....FUCKING EVERYWHERE....

You pay more to register your 12500 gvw truck than your 4k gvw car... WHY? Because more weight = more wear = HIGHER COSTS TO MAINTAIN.

So, when did congress pass the law saying that it was a utility? Oh, wait, some agency just declared it? F that.

I know the Obama administration doesn't understand, but the executive branch doesn't make laws, the legislative branch does, aka congress.

If you think the IRS scandal, BATFE rulings, and FCC bs are random, and not ordered by someone higher up, you're ignorant.

[CurtisLemansky]

Fuck ya'll...

FCC Net Neutrality is a Regulatory 'Trojan Horse,' EFF Says


Funny though, how they seem to think Title II is better, yet this "win" is already showing signs of their premonition...

[N]ow we face the really hard part: making sure the FCC doesn’t abuse its authority.

For example, the new rules include a “general conduct rule” that will let the FCC take action against ISP practices that don’t count as blocking, throttling, or paid prioritization. As we said last week and last year, vague rules are a problem. The FCC wants to be, in Chairman Wheeler’s words, “a referee on the field” who can stop any ISP action that it thinks “hurts consumers, competition, or innovation.” The problem with a rule this vague is that neither ISPs nor Internet users can know in advance what kinds of practices will run afoul of the rule. Only companies with significant legal staff and expertise may be able to use the rule effectively. And a vague rule gives the FCC an awful lot of discretion, potentially giving an unfair advantage to parties with insider influence. That means our work is not yet done. We must stay vigilant, and call out FCC overreach.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/02/f ... ty-big-win


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