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The 'net is now neutered - FCC adopts new regs today
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snozzberries
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Damnit. The Republicans appear to be retarded. At least this one and her 31 Republican Co-sponsors. Quote: Marsha Blackburn, the conservative Republican lawmaker from Tennessee, has reintroduced legislation in Congress to block the Federal Communications Commission from implementing its landmark new net neutrality rules, her office announced today.
Blackburn, who has been one of Capitol Hill’s top recipients of financial support from the nation's largest telecom and cable companies, is a longtime opponent of net neutrality, the internet’s open access principle, which is designed to ensure that all data is treated equally.
Over the last decade, AT&T and Verizon have been Blackburn's second and third largest donors, pouring $66,750 and $59,650 into her campaigns, respectively, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. She's also received $56,000 from the National Cable and Telecommunications Association, an industry trade group, and $36,000 from Comcast, the nation's largest cable company.
But while Internet providers and some Republicans have claimed to support net neutrality rules while opposing Title II reclassification, this bill would not leave any network neutrality rules in place. That's not surprising, given that Blackburn has been trying to get rid of net neutrality rules for years.
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Captain90s
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snozzberries wrote: Damnit. The Republicans appear to be retarded. At least this one and her 31 Republican Co-sponsors. Quote: Marsha Blackburn, the conservative Republican lawmaker from Tennessee, has reintroduced legislation in Congress to block the Federal Communications Commission from implementing its landmark new net neutrality rules, her office announced today.
Blackburn, who has been one of Capitol Hill’s top recipients of financial support from the nation's largest telecom and cable companies, is a longtime opponent of net neutrality, the internet’s open access principle, which is designed to ensure that all data is treated equally.
Over the last decade, AT&T and Verizon have been Blackburn's second and third largest donors, pouring $66,750 and $59,650 into her campaigns, respectively, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. She's also received $56,000 from the National Cable and Telecommunications Association, an industry trade group, and $36,000 from Comcast, the nation's largest cable company.
But while Internet providers and some Republicans have claimed to support net neutrality rules while opposing Title II reclassification, this bill would not leave any network neutrality rules in place. That's not surprising, given that Blackburn has been trying to get rid of net neutrality rules for years. The bolded part should tell you all you need to know. The major internet corporations want this to fail, so they can continue their semi-monopoly they have going (I say semi because it's not just one corporation, but a select few).
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rayjax82
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snozzberries
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Quote: The question reveals the problem with the supposed four million comments submitted in support of net neutrality. Almost no one really gets it. Nobody gets it, because we haven't seen the 8 pages yet. Quote: As I’ve said in technically detailed comments, academic coalition letters, papers, and even here at Wired, while “net neutrality” sounds like a good idea, it isn’t. So you are an idiot. Everybody with a brain agrees that Net Neutrality is a good thing, we just don't know if Title II is a good thing and the best way to achieve it. Quote: is the worst way to regulate dynamic digital services. The intention isn't to regulate, it's to ensure openness and freedom, and not allow the ISP to regulate the internet. It's to prevent ISP's from regulating the internet. Quote: But consider this irony: Now that ISPs are regulated under Title II as common carriers, the Federal Trade Commission can’t enforce its consumer protection laws against them anymore.
That doesn’t mean there won’t be antitrust enforcement, but we did just hobble our most significant and experienced consumer protection authority. That seems like a mistake if we’re enacting rules that purport to protect consumers.
This is a GREAT point. Which is why Title II might not be the right way to ensure Network Neutrality. The FCC tried another approach, classifying ISP's as Information Services. The Courts said that's not good enough. Congress didn't do anything to fix it, so the FCC did the only thing they could, Title II. The measure the Republicans just put out isn't Network Neutrality, it's the opposite of it. He brings up some more great points about how the FCC board will change, and might decide to leverage their regulating power differently. That's why we need laws that say "nobody gets to fuck up the internet, including the government". The article by the EFF is a great article concerning the Vague "General Conduct" Rule. The EFF is pretty much the only group anybody should listen to. The rest have ben bribed by special interests groups. Quote: Actually, Comcast is the only ISP (out of the literally thousands that are now regulated under Title II) that competes with Netflix. And the evidence shows that the problems allegedly arising from that competition were caused by Netflix, not Comcast. That's a bold-faced lie. Every ISP that also offers streaming video or Cable TV or any other video service competes with Netflix. Comcast clearly created the problem between Netflix and Comcast in order to stifle the Netflix business and harm their mutual customers from watching Netflix. Everybody says the problem is "Netflix's Traffic". That's an incorrect way of looking at it. It's not NETFLIX's traffic, it's Comcasts CUSTOMERS traffic. Netflix doesn't send out spam that nobody wants. Comcasts customers REQUEST it. Comcasts customers DEMAND it. It's Comcast's responsibility to ensure they have pipes large enough to handle the data that their customers request. Netflix was nice and offered to put server in Comcasts datacenters to relieve the stress on Comcasts peering points. Comcast refused and wanted to bill Netflix. This is double-billing for the same traffic. Quote: Did we really just enact 300 pages of legally questionable, enormously costly, transformative rules just to help Netflix in a trivial commercial spat? No you fucking moron, they did 8 pages. Stop spouting this sensationalist bullshit that you clearly know isn't true given your previous statement: "it took over 300 pages of explanation to justify eight pages of rules." Quote: cable content is suddenly challenged by streaming video; DSL, once thought dead, now offers 25-75 Mbps service. Yet the FCC’s rules ignore this complexity, insisting on a one-dimensional conception of internet competition that’s never actually existed. You can't get 25-75mbps DSL here. Cable content IS challenged by streaming video, which is why Comcast did anti-monopolistic activity to interfere with it. Maybe they should have instead been sued under the anti-trust provisions instead of implementing Title II. There still ISN'T internet competition, it has existed since dial-up, which ran over Title II telephone lines. If there was competition, then Comcast couldn't act monopolistically.
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snozzberries
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CurtisLemansky
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I'll just leave this here.. Quote: regulation —noun
a law, rule, or other order prescribed by authority, especially to regulate conduct. Sent from my UAV using Disposition Matrix 2.0
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snozzberries
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CurtisLemansky wrote: I'll just leave this here.. Quote: regulation —noun
a law, rule, or other order prescribed by authority, especially to regulate conduct. Sent from my UAV using Disposition Matrix 2.0 Yeah I view Net Neutrality like the 1st Amendment. It regulates the government, giving individuals the freedom of speech. Net Neutrality should regulate the ISP's and Government, giving individuals the freedom of internet.
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Guns4Liberty
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snozzberries wrote: CurtisLemansky wrote: I'll just leave this here.. Quote: regulation —noun
a law, rule, or other order prescribed by authority, especially to regulate conduct. Sent from my UAV using Disposition Matrix 2.0 Yeah I view Net Neutrality like the 1st Amendment. It regulates the government, giving individuals the freedom of speech. Net Neutrality should regulate the ISP's and Government, giving individuals the freedom of internet. To suggest that we are entitled to Internet access in the same way we are entitled to free speech is ludicrous. I remember the same claim being made about a right to healthcare - also ludicrous. What entitles anyone to the products and services created by private entities?
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Captain90s
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Guns4Liberty wrote: snozzberries wrote: CurtisLemansky wrote: I'll just leave this here.. Quote: regulation —noun
a law, rule, or other order prescribed by authority, especially to regulate conduct. Sent from my UAV using Disposition Matrix 2.0 Yeah I view Net Neutrality like the 1st Amendment. It regulates the government, giving individuals the freedom of speech. Net Neutrality should regulate the ISP's and Government, giving individuals the freedom of internet. To suggest that we are entitled to Internet access in the same way we are entitled to free speech is ludicrous. I remember the same claim being made about a right to healthcare - also ludicrous. What entitles anyone to the products and services created by private entities? I don't think he meant the right to access the internet without paying, but rather the right to use the internet (once accessed) in an unrestricted manner.
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Yolo: Because idiots don't know what "carpe diem" means.
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snozzberries
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CurtisLemansky
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Ooooooh snap Netflix Recants on ObamanetProponents of net neutrality appear to be experiencing lobbyists’ remorse.Sent from my UAV using Disposition Matrix 2.0
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snozzberries
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That article is so pathetic I'm not even going to bother to dissect it.
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| Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:48 pm |
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CurtisLemansky
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You don't think it's fair to point out Netflix did all this strictly for their own selfish reasons? They couldn't give less of a shit about the principle of net neutrality. Quote: Last week, Netflix violated a core tenet of net neutrality when it launched its service in Australia as part of a “zero rating” offering by broadband providers, which excludes its video from data caps. Net neutrality advocates want to outlaw such deals. Netflix shrugged off this objection: “We won’t put our service or our members at a disadvantage.”
Last year National Journal reported that Netflix was “relishing” its role as the lead lobbyist for net neutrality, “not only advocating a position that would protect its profits,” but “also earning goodwill from web activists and liberals.”
Today Netflix is a poster child for crony capitalism. When CEO Reed Hastings lobbied for Internet regulations, all he apparently really wanted was for regulators to tilt the scales in his direction with service providers. Or as Geoffrey Manne of the International Center for Law and Economics put it in Wired: “Did we really just enact 300 pages of legally questionable, enormously costly, transformative rules just to help Netflix in a trivial commercial spat?” Sent from my UAV using Disposition Matrix 2.0
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| Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:13 pm |
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Well isn't it nice that in the United States they are stuck with Title II regulation now.
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CurtisLemansky
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Sure? Until they figure out how to further exploit it to their advantage.
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